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Kara is still stuck in the Phantom Zone. When a phantom attacks Supergirl is overwhelmed with fear. She fears if her team attempts to save her they will all die, and it would be all her fault! It has taken Brainy and Nia three days to return from Midvale with the DNA they need to pinpoint Supergirl in the fractured Phantom Zone. However, the rest of the team has not been idle.
J’onn has modified the top few levels of his tower to become a ship. A vessel that has special shields for interdimensional travel and a containment unit for Prime Phantom. Lena has harnessed the power of the yellow sun into a bomb. This creation has the power to repel the phantoms and recharge Supergirl’s powers simultaneously. All is going smoothly until a breach in the containment cell allows some of Prime Phantom to affect the team. Now what stands between them and saving Supergirl is their own fear.
In Alex’s mind her greatest fear is being the one person who causes the mission to fail by being reckless. Lena must face the guilt she feels surrounding her mothers death. Also the thought of losing all her friends after finally being made part of the team. Nia must stop doubting herself. She is still learning and has really stepped up in Supergirl’s absence. Nia must build her confidence in her dream interpretation and give herself a little grace as she continues her hero’s journey. Kelly fears she is the weak link on this team because she has no superpower. She undervalues the importance that she has. She can help the team cope with the mental and emotional side of being a superhero. Without her they may have not been able to find their individual touchstones that brought them out of their fear visions. Yes Kelly is human but so is Alex who was saving people from danger long before she got a shape shifting Martian weapon. Kelly doesn’t need a shield to make a meaningful contribution to this team.
J’onn can resist the Prime Phantom fear visions due to his martian biology and connection to his brother Malefic. Due to his mind reading abilities he must suffer the fears of his whole team when he fights the Phantom. He is able to subdue the foe and return it to containment. This allows our superfriends to amerge from their individual nightmares. Brainy is afraid of balloons but we don’t have time to unpack that. It is time to save Kara.
Now that Kara’s location has been pinpointed by her DNA. The team deploys the sunlight bomb to repel phantoms and reenergize Kara. Supergirl speeds onto the ship and into Alex’s embrace. All appears well as they launch through a portal back to Earth. Unfortunately things are not as sunny as they seem. Instead of Kara’s father we see the true face of the person that has been encouraging Kara all episode long. She is in fact Nyxly, the fifth dimensional imp and she wants to get home. If she causes some mayhem in National City along the way that is just more fun for her. We have to wait until August 24th for the next chapter of this super adventure. Thank you so much for all the fun feedback you have provided so far this season. Stay tuned for special episodes during hiatus and have a super start to your summer!
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Cougar’s Comic Corner
Action Comics (2011-2016) #13
Written by Sholly Fisch and Grant Morrison dated October 3, 2012 Long ago, the mad Dr. Xa-Du was found guilty by the K-Council of Krypton of having unleashed the horror of Living Death upon the planet’s citizens by performing forbidden experiments in suspended animation. Therefore, suspended animation was banned, even as a means of punishing criminals. This required the council to develop an entirely new kind of punishment: the Phantom Zone. Xa-Du would have to stay there for the next twenty years, when he would at last be allowed to plead his case for release. At the time that his sentence of total physical de-materialization was passed, Xa-Du turned to Jor-El and promised to visit vengeance upon him and his family, once he escaped. Coldly, Jor-El warned that there would be no escaping the Phantom Zone. Twenty years later, on the day of what would have been Xa-Du’s first parole hearing, Krypton exploded. $2.99 on Comixology! 
Next Time On Maid of Steel!
MIDVALE! We’re talking about our impressions of Season 3’s “Midvale” episode vs. S6E5&6’s Midvale. We’ll talk about the rewritten history and why it brings up the feelings among us that it does. Get your feedback in to us now to be included in the podcast. Thanks!! We’ll give a heads up when we’ll be recording but it will be sometime the week of May 31-June 4.
Oh, and here’s the promo for Supergirl Season 6 – Episode 8, “Welcome Back, Kara!”
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It occurs to me that a better joke title for the episode would have been Dread Knot because of how tangled up the writing was in the script.
Nice observation about the Covid, Green Butterfly, but…
‘Embrace the Shake’, a TED talks lecture delivered by Phil Hansen, illustrates the point of how talent adapts to severe challenge and limitation and produces great art.
The film “High Noon”, which is the unsung morality tale about McCarthyism, is the other example. Carl Foreman, blacklisted for his socialist political beliefs, created that high art in the midst of a period as fascistic as any in American history.
How did the Supergirl writers do here?
Well about as well as Tarzan of the Apes 1918) which won the Oscar during 1918, the year when 5% of humanity died from the Spanish Flu. NTG.
BTW, I had the pleasure of seeing this film. Boring as watching molasses freeze when human beings are in front of the camera. Elmo Lincoln is a STIFF. Nickname for the type in front of the camera is “plank”. (Inside joke among many Captain Marvel film critics for the main in THAT movie.). The wildlife cinematography is what is incredible. I did not know so many African animals were running around loose in California at the time.
See… great art under severe limitations.
Monty
Monty
What does Teddy Roosevelt have to do with Supergirl, the TV show, and the writers?
Taking the quotes in order.
1.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
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Does one, after 5 seasons, feel defeated? I do not count for much except that I have raised my voice and I have tried by example and analysis for three years to steer observations and efforts toward what I thought was the good in the show. After Season Four, I was through with analysis and began the oft times savage criticism of the writers who had adopted agenda instead of story telling as their mantra and reason for drawing the pay check. So by TR’s metric, I “might” be one of those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.
Except, that i have persisted with this show long after a timid soul would have abandoned the project set before him. I still care and I will care to the last scene and the last fade-out. I have worked at it, I think, my commentary as hard as some of the showrunners have invested time into actually turning out scripts. 100+ reviews at 30+ minutes a pop. is 3000 minutes+ or 50 hours+. Does not seem like much, does it? But if a Supergirl show writer put as much time into 1 script, why am I unhappy?
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“When you’re at the end of your rope, tie a knot and hold on.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
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2.
Derek Simon should be hanging on for dear life.
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“People don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care”
― Theodore Roosevelt
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Does 5 years count for how much I care?
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“Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty… I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
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I generally look for scars. if I see work related scars like paper cuts, electrical burn marks, wounds from someone dropping a key-light on your head or a permanent limp from a work related injury (Ruby Rose from Batwoman comes to mind, and Mehcad Brooks with his scarred eyes, or Melissa Benoist with her own facial scars.), then I measure the love and devotion one has to one’s chosen life’s work.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
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Don’t criticize the effort because it is politically correct. What about telling a story with interesting characters or at least turning in work that is grammatical with decent rhetoric, speakable dialog and a structure that can be shot within time, budget, and will not be difficult to post production edit for run-time and coherent story sense?
Not to mention, to costume, to prop, to set dress, to light, to film or record and to play through with a minimum of rehearsal repeats and wasted waiting time?
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“To educate a person in the mind but not in morals is to educate a menace to society.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
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a. Can one actually say these people know their craft? The actors do. The production crew does. The directors are hit or miss, but at least they try. What about the writers?
b. Morality on this show follows the same as 1. The writers are a question. Season 4 showed me where their morality was. I was seriously disappointed with that hideously tone-deaf viewpoint.
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“If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn’t sit for a month.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
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There are no need for chairs in the Supergirl TV show writer’s rooms any more. They have no need to sit down if they are honest with themselves.
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“Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell ’em, ‘Certainly I can!’ Then get busy and find out how to do it.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
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Actors? Nicole Maines took six episodes. Florianna Lima never learned. Staz Nair knows something or he has leverage because he is a plank. A whole bunch of guest villains showed up for a pay check, but the principals came aboard with good skill sets and tried hard.
Production crew in Los Angeles knew their stuff. Production crew in Vancouver after 5 years are still ruddy amateurs. This is from someone who has been there and done that.
Directors? Hit or miss. Glenn Winter is good and the show benchmark. David Harewood is still learning the “feel”. Chyler Leigh? Ugh. Needs to apprentice at least six more episodes.
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“When you play, play hard; when you work, don’t play at all.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
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I will corollary it, “When you play, play to win. When you work, work as if your life depended on the result.”
Now by the Murphy…
“If something can go wrong, it will.”
and
“Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he’ll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he’ll have to touch to be sure.”
I happen to be one of those M.O.Bs who will turn a telescope skyward and hook an electronic camera to it and a pixel photon counter.”
Why? Because i am a mean old b. Murphy is the metric. I will tell Derek Simon the paint has dried on the bench and the wet paint sign means nothing and I will smile as he sits his sore self-kicked butt down on it.
That is where I am at now with these show writers. It is all their fault.
Monty
Some blog post comments…
“Kelly fears she is the weak link on this team because she has no superpower. She undervalues the importance that she has.” – as do the writers!
“Yes Kelly is human but so is Alex who was saving people from danger long before she got a shape shifting Martian weapon. Kelly doesn’t need a shield to make a meaningful contribution to this team.” – PREACH!!!
So what you’re saying is Nxy being on the ship means Jor might still be her illusion to screw with Kara? I’ll take it! Anything is better than him actually being alive.
“Stay tuned for special episodes during hiatus” – I can’t wait to see what the line up is going to be! 🙂
“Which fear vision did you find the most compelling?” – honestly they all had issues and pros to them; I want to say Alex because we all know how much I love her but I wouldn’t call hers necessarily compelling because I knew how it was going to go. Lena’s was good for the majority but isn’t long enough arguably to be compelling enough to push her over the top for me. Kara’s has potential but again doesn’t feel like enjoy to instantly grab the vote so it’s really hard to pick this week to the point I think I’m just going to lay out on the pill this time; if I could have made multiple selections I would have voted but as is this week is a pass for me. Ha. The rest were duds honestly.
“Next Time On Maid of Steel!
MIDVALE! We’re talking about our impressions of Season 3’s “Midvale” episode vs. S6E5&6’s Midvale. We’ll talk about the rewritten history and why it brings up the feelings among us that it does.” – yay!!! It brings up feelings because one is awesome and one is a giant dud that mocks it.
On to the podcast…
“she’s dying to get out of this room already” – K Vox knows what’s up with the quality this year. Ha!
“I dreamed we couldn’t do Maid Of Steel anymore!” – 😭too real Justina!
Is the boat a steam engine because I feel my rage over the season could power that alone. Ha.
Hitting the beaches of the Phantom Zone. 😉
I don’t feel you’re in the way John. 🙂
GREAT point on the memory situation Leslie!
“The writers had a whole year to come up with a plot for the final season and the best they could come up with is a stomp on history…” – preach Leslie! “these could have been therapy sessions lead by Kelly” – awe! And now I’m thinking about an episode about perspective and how you could take the same event and have 3 characters discuss it and it’s left for the fans to decide what’s the truth at the end because one tells it their way, the next a slightly different way, and the other another – it limits the number of cast needed for an episode and it gives you the bottle episode filler. Ooh I like your “Alex In Wonderland” idea Leslie; I have so many questions now but mainly if Kara never came to Earth would Jeremiah still be with the family and how does that effect things, what would the Eliza-Alex relationship be like, would Alex still be in the closet or would she have come out still at a point in her life? Would she still be recruited to the DEO or would she be a scientist like she was studying for or a medical doctor perhaps? Would she have met any of our other cast members ever such as Lena who wants to buy something she made (scientist girlfriends!), Nia who is sent to write about something she invented or some research she did, or maybe Sam at a bar because y’all we got to get some more Agent Arias up in here before it’s all said and done! Ha.
Livewire never died Leslie so no need for Crisis to bring her back; I am of course always a fan of her returning! 🙂
Honestly the promo for the next episode sounds and looked like a repeat essentially of what they did with Mon, is Kara’s dad going to get a job at the paper next too? I don’t have high hopes for it to be the thing which breaks the streak of disappointment this season.
You have to put Kenny on the OTP list now.
If you’re doing a PTSD plot you know what you could use – a therapist…if only they had one on the team, she could be as close as dating Kara’s very own sister I’m just saying! Ha.
I totally had in the live version the shot of Jor coming on the ship; if you’re just focused on Kara you can miss him, but I did see him in the back which is what made me so mad originally because that dude should be double dead already – from two different explosions. Maybe with Nxy on the ship too now we can keep pushing he’s a fake but yeah him alive is just a no.
8.5? Is this the lowest rated episode ever for Green Butterfly?!
Don’t be positive if it’s not positive for you that week, it’s how you feel and you shouldn’t feel bad for those feelings; this idea that you have to fake it essentially because you’re on radio is toxic. This is a bad season and if you feel that way then say it! Justina has the positive usually so someone can be the rain cloud if you well…heck I’ve been it for the last two years. Ha! When there’s nothing to be positive about faking it just seem disingenuous; say how you feel John because maybe someone is feeling the same way and appreciates not feeling like the lone person out there. I would safely say based on feedback this season you are certainly not alone in feeling disappointed about the content we are getting. 🙂 Same to you also though Justina, if you’re an unhappy butterfly one week then say so.
13 left. 😪
Crisis in the Arrowverse is crap! That said, Justina you make an argument for maybe we could have learned to enjoy post Crisis “Supergirl” if we had more seasons with it but being the final season of the show we’ve known for five years we don’t have time for Crisis to be causing issues.
“Why couldn’t Brainy figure out how to make a portal?” – because he got beat by a snack machine? Also because inescapable usually means that; it’s like “last x of x” is suppose to mean something but as it turns out on the series now it doesn’t because there’s always another x seemingly around the corner for plot. Ha.
“I’ll be anything for you, except be a functioning therapist” – lol!
I’ve never read or seen “Harry Potter” so I didn’t get a lot of the references to that.
Lol, a hilarious recap Phoenix! 😀
COVID restricts how many people can work the episodes, it doesn’t have a say over the quality – these aren’t bad episodes because X, Y, or Z isn’t in there or is limited in screen time they’re bad because of the writing.
Jor El was on the ship, you can see him walk in behind Kara and then take off to the side before she and Alex hug, it’s quick but again he was there…or at least someone dressed like him as a representation was there.
👏 to Dreamweaver for the one world review. Ha.
Again I really do feel the fact that this is our final season is playing into the heavy grading system most of us are doing, we have expectations of what a final season is meant to be from previous years of TV viewing and so to see this as reality it doesn’t add up and it’s frustrating. Yes again Covid effects WHO can be together, but not the dialogue they say to one another. Maybe the final 13 will be the real final season of the series and what we wanted, with some issues still because again Jor should not be real so if they go there that’s crap, but it just feels like you had a chance to set that up here and so again it’s just more waste if that makes sense? As Leslie said just do character exploration episodes with Kara being a heavy feature of those plots so she’s there even if we can’t see her; I saw another say in discussions why not have Kara in a coma from her fight with Lex so Melissa could be in a separate set and film when needed but there’s no Phantom Zone waste time. You could even film something with her and some newbie actors or even just Brenda Strong as Lillian so when someone ask “I wonder what Kara is thinking about?” we have moments with Melissa as the character but they’re short for filming reasons; she could even be in a situation where she’s edited into watching young Kara and Alex at the table before their scene takes over and it snaps back to the next scene or something. We would have gotten so much character work with everyone else in these 7 episodes that when Kara comes back at episode 8 then we get to focus mainly on her for the next 5 at least so it feels like she’s the main focus now for sure instead of just being present and then for the last 8 episodes it’s a mix of the team coming together as a family to defeat some big bad like Lillian and maybe even Nxy is still in it because Lillian is enlisting her to help for some reason and so you get the show feeling like it’s old self and we don’t even worry with Crisis because as Justina said we don’t have time for that now people…again just little tweaks and it all would have been so much better! As many have asked this feedback portion “This is the best you got writers? You had a year and this is the best you got?”; set pieces and cool CGI do not a series make.
I REALLY want Jor to be fake!
I look forward to seeing what the hiatus schedule is; I see we’re talking about the good “Midvale” next which yay! Maybe we can do “Reign” in there at a point? We got to get some Sam content into this final season in some way! Ha. If you want to talk Crisis we can but I would request it be the good Crisis aka “Crisis On Earth X” because that event was like a movie! Also we still have to have the OTP debate at some point or is that being saved for post series? Is there more debates about quality coming and where we might think the disconnect is? Is there a legacy of “Supergirl” debate in the works (this one might need some time before it’s touched on because the legacy right now feels bad but is that really fair because of this season or is it maybe better than how we’re feeling right now)?
In regards to why rewriting the past in the final season is bad, it’s bad because why would you do that? You have how ever many seasons before worth of content (in our case 5 years) so why would you change it now?! Changes like that require time for fans to get use to and you don’t have it anymore by definition of it being your final year; even with more seasons ahead rewrites of lore or dangerous to do because fans sometimes love what you have and to change it you risk them changing their feelings, true sometimes lore changes can be for the better but again you need time to see that and in a final season there’s no time. It’s just literally one of the most frustrating things you can do; they say it will tie back into season one but with the quality of choices it feels like the only tie in will be a wrecking ball blasting through what we cared for for a brief moment you know? There’s just nothing to gain from this move at this point so it’s like why? Just to keep the larger brand going and have everyone effected by Crisis? Everyone else got another season also so are you going to give us one, if not then why should we care about the larger brand when not everyone watches all the shows anyways. They want you to watch all the shows of course but not everyone does so Crisis doesn’t mean to some what it does to others and certainly when Crisis was never a big deal to your series does it make you care now, it’s annoying to see them using it to change things here…if this was “Flash” I would get it because he cared a lot about what happened but really who else cared – no one so why are they trying to force Crisis into things? You’ve had other outside changes effect shows like “Batwoman” so is Crisis really what you want to push right now? Sure it’s an easy way to explain some series changes but why would you want to change things on a series in their last year? It just doesn’t make sense and in light of a answer you have rage about it all and that’s not a good thing so yeah I get why people are angry over it – it’s not something you want to see when you’re suppose to be enjoying the last moments with something you loved.
absolutely right about kelly, aaron. therapy has value and it really bothers me that they have kelly doubting her value and usefulness. how much of therapist kelly do you really think we’ll get once they make her guardian? “Honestly the promo for the next episode sounds and looked like a repeat essentially of what they did with Mon,” i felt the same way!
1. Kelly has been structured as a character who could support Team Supergirl. the story for the Back 13 is there in the form of therapy sessions for Kara, who should be a bit wobbly and neurotic from her 3 day sojourn in crazyville, but seriously, does anyone think that the therapy sessions will happen? Or will we get Guardian in the Gold Suit as Azie writes a fan-fiction episode featuring herself? I have thought the info we got through and I expect at least one episode of the Back 13 to be utterly dismal Mary Sue scripting. I hope i am wrong, but what if I am not?
2.Flip a coin and think like Derek Simon. Is Jor real and will Derek kill the character off for false drama? I guess if I can conceive of this kind of sludge writing, it could happen.
3. Special episodes means I have to stop being Douglas Downer and come up with positivity. I will try.
4. Daymares, the choice is obvious. It has to be the Lena segment, because it was best produced, best acted, best special effected, most coherent, and the only one where the hero came out the other end with a “win”.
5. Retro-Midvale. Back when the series still had optimism versus the defeat of now? I thought I just wrote i will try to be positive? I’ll have to think about it.
6. K’Vox may have smelled the script corpse, but I still got something out of the episode, Aaron. I thought the coda gave “some hope” for the Back 13.
7.Item 1. the ship has sunk.
Item 2. These writers could not write Psychology, if “I” dictated it to them.
Item 3. I still dislike Kenny as a Marty Stu insert.
Item 4. Ratings were not that bad.
Item 5. Never think it is personal, but if one picks a hill, then one had better expect that hill to be climbed. It is not the person… it is the hill. If it ever becomes the person: then one takes a good hard look in the mirror and sees the PERSON who one should criticize for getting in the way. That is the self who climbed the hill and lost sight of the core effort of climbing the hill. If that was unclear to anyone, then I apologize for not being clear.
Item 6. I have to disagree about negativity. That saps the will and it saps the effort. Positivity in even the worst situation or worst experience helps. I found a like to make me happy in this episode, even if technically it was a pile of manure. I liked that Katie McGrath acted well, I was laughing a lot at the gaffes and goofs, I got to see BDM pull a BDM moment and the actor who plays Zor won me over with a “hope speech”, so I was not deflated at the end. And it was about family, not politics, so there was that goodness too.
8. So; 13 left. I count it as 12; because I think we are guaranteed a “Golden Guardian” Mary Sue episode.
9. Why is anybody confused about a clown, not being able to wormhole? A vending machine defeated him. He is flummoxed by balloons. The writers plainly intended for Braindead to be a running joke character.
10. “I’ll be anything for you, except be a functioning therapist” – lol! At least someone got a chuckle out of it. That means I was not a complete Donald Downer.
11. Phoenix covered a ,lot of what I ignored, but it was hilarious.
12. Covid is not a handicap, it is an opportunity.
13. Why? Why knot? Not a misspelling.
14. Those 7 episodes were shot and aired; Aaron. “If wishes were fishes, we would all be out there in time’s river with nets. But that is not how the universe works.”
Remember Finagle, Murphy’s prophet?
“Finagle’s law is a principle that suggests that the worst outcomes will happen at the most inopportune times. Many consider Finagle’s law a corollary to Murphy’s law, which states that any negative outcomes will eventually happen. Both of these ideas are based on scientific theory around thermodynamics, and have been used in science fiction as well as technological analysis.”
The prophet says: “Expect the worst at the most inopportune time. But laugh at it, because as bad as it is, the worst is yet to come, and odds are good that it will be aimed at the person next to you. It is, after all a Three Stooges Universe and you could be Moe, in the middle, you know?”
Or Derek Simon sitting on wet paint.
Monty
“How much of therapist Kelly do you really think we’ll get once they make her Guardian?”- zero honestly Daryl; they’ll drop that career knowledge like a hot cake the first time she zips up the suit. 🙁
I can understand Kelly questioning if her time is well spent with this group the way they avoid therapy but to suit up as Guardian makes no sense especially after she gave James such a talking to about how that was the worst way to deal with a crisis of identity. Kelly as Guardian goes against her character which was previously established; it’s like a suited Alex and how that goes against what made her unique. It’s more rewriting and for what?
In regards to the promo, could it work if they say Nxy is feeding off of Kara’s memories like a phantom herself because maybe she did something to one of them in the past and so she has some abilities like there’s and she knows Kara feared a loved one in the Phantom Zone and to make it real by searching Kara’s mind process of elimination made it Jor El and so now we’re still seeing Jor with Kara because Nxy is still messing with her because she wanted a way off originally and now it’s personal for leaving her to die? Yes. If they say this is really him and so this is just a repeat plot I say yawn to that and no thank you as it’s more rewritten lore because even assuming Kara didn’t in fact know what happened to her parents the moment her pod launched, how did both Jor and Alura survive? If you say one survived because the planet split and she happened to be on the chuck of rock why was Jor not with her? How did they get separated and where did he find another pod to escape on or how did he know the portal was still there to use to go to the Phantom Zone to escape the explosion? Was slowly turning crazy really better than an instant death because that planet went up as we saw because it was the explosion of it that caused her pod to get knocked off course as the original opening went so when exactly did this man have time to escape?
At some point Jor and Alura have to leave the area they launched Kara from, they have to get separated somehow so Alura can live on Argo in the future and then he has to find a portal to the Phantom Zone to basically go die in because there’s supposedly no escape from there all before the planet explodes in mere moments. So yeah the fact Jor may be actually alive is a stretch for me. It’s questionable Alura is because of how fast the explosion happens and given where they were when the ship launched but okay you say one survived why not the other? Why is Jor not on Argo with them; was he at a point and maybe he got sent to the Phantom Zone by Alura for some reason? If so what is it!
And automatically I feel this debate alone will be more compelling that what we actually get if he’s actually real; just let him be part of Nxy’s plan already and stop ruining the history of this series in its final season!
1. Not a jot worth the typing into the word processor, will we get Kelly, the therapist. We will get Kelly, the golden Guardian. How happy am I about that one? “Ego uber alles” is terrible writing.
2. If one expects Kelly to not fit the needs of the story Azie Tasfei will write for herself, then one has to fixate on the “self indulgent” aspect of the writing we have seen so far in some of these character showcase Mary Sue episodes. Think about how Chyler’s Mary Sue episode; “Alex in Wonderland” went and figure that Azie, since she writes her own featurette will Mary Sue, too.
3. That is a good premise, that Nyxlie could vampire off Kara’s depression, but that requires a call-back to something the audience has never seen Zor do to feed such a memory, which is to villain like invent the Worldkillers for the Juru witchipoos. And how would Kara know it? It does not quite fit. It has to be something inside Kara, herself, that sense of failure. And when it comes to failure, these Supergirl writers should be able to draw from their own experiences for that story element. They could write failure very well, if they did it honestly.
Expect that one never to happen.
4. Expect that Zor is real, Alura told him; “This is all your fault!” and divorced him the Kryptonian way by phantom zoning Zor as Kara launched off the linear accelerator and Argo rafted off exploding Krypton. Ever wonder why nobody tried Alura for screwing up, herself, and letting Krypton explode?
5. If they show 4 actually happened, then I take back every mean thing I ever wrote about Derek Simon. I would have to do so and apologize. But the chances of that happening are like those two famous gamblers; Ver E. Slim and Posit Tivly Nunn.
6. We’ll see how the debate goes. Ever take a Red Rocket Flyer down a steep road:? No brakes. You wind up at the bottom of the hill in a bruised heap, and ask yourself; “What happened?
“Ratings were not that bad.” – yeah the ratings angle for the cancellation I never bought personally because we had just as good ratings as other shows? Were they our best? No, but they still weren’t horrible next to other shows which got another season.
Yeah there’s definitely going to be a Guardian episode Monty. 🙁
7. Ratings are a number. It is a metric. Batwoman is tanking at about 0.3 right now. Which reminds me I better stock up on vodka, cause there is a drinking game tonight. Supergirl is about 0.8 which is not good, but better than Legends.
8. “Golden Guardian” could be good. Who am I kidding? Think positive and ask oneself how many laughs one can get out of it, as Azie Tasfei tries to super-hero?
“Supergirl is about 0.8 which is not good, but better than Legends.” – we’ve always been better than Legends, that’s a whole thing to itself for me; they keep being renewed but our ratings are an issue for us – how does that make sense? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want Legends fans to lose their beloved show but I am left to ask how is it getting more seasons when it has worse ratings but we’re not?
Okay our lead is leaving so it’s hard to do a show…again why is she leaving because I doubt it’s all on that baby; they could have easily given us an extended hiatus if Melissa wanted it but they didn’t. They could have said “Okay Melissa you want to go be a stay at home mom now we respect that. Chyler you’re up!” and begin preparing for an Alex spin off but we’ve heard nothing. Yes we had bad seasons for our series but ratings wise if we’re still better than other shows why are we being treated differently? Superman’s series got two extra seasons before it even aired and you’re telling me we can’t get the tease at least of a spin off?! “Batwoman” got an extra season even though this is their worst one but again we can’t get a season; it all just leads to feeling like “Supergirl” is being treated differently and I don’t like it.
And then you add in we have Crisis screwing with our last images of the characters instead of having a good look back or setting up one last adventure with a happy ending and it’s just UGH.
I wish Azie would use her script to show Kelly as Guardian but then remembering why she told James it was dumb to do and so at the end she lays it all down but they wouldn’t have spent so much time creating a new costume if it was for one episode so I definitely fear Kelly has fallen in the Guardian hole as well that killed James on this series. 🙁 It’s really a shame because Kelly had potential and her therapist job alone had potential to create awesome stories but they just pushed her on the same path that got her brother character written off. It’s like they’re scared of doing character introspections, maybe because these writers don’t really know our characters…they know action scenes and concept ideas for stories but not who’s actually involved in the stories if you will?
1. Perry Positive writes: “Comedy (unintended) is a virtue.”
2. https://cdn.statically.io/img/i0.wp.com/static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/funny-people-quit-job-in-style-1-5a65f00000514__605.jpg?quality=100&f=auto
or “When the joy of life is gone, quit before you are fired.”
–Malcolm Forbes
3. When you break your back for people and they literally treat you like trash, maybe it is time to walk? I, of course, refer to Batwoman, and the first lead actor, but…
4. To quote Tom King again; “Bad writing is” …. Derek Simon.
5. Perry Positive suggests; “When life sucks, throw yourself into art.” – Monica Drake
Just don’t let it be a statue. Marble hurts a lot when you bounce off it.
6. “You fell down? Get up! You fell down again? Get up again? You keep falling down? Keep getting up! Refuse the direction towards the ground! Up and forward, that is the direction!” ― Mehmet Murat ildan
Azie needs to remember that when Derek Simon “helps” her with her script.
“It’s failure that gives you the proper perspective on success.” – Ellen DeGeneres
“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.” – Samuel Beckett
“All of us learned how to walk by failing.” – J.R. Rim
Except Braindead; he cannot get past the balloons.
Monty
Batwoman (TV Series) “And Justice for All” (2021)
Directed by
Rob Duncan … (as Robert Duncan)Writing Credits
Bob Kane … (based on characters created for DC by) &
Bill Finger … (based on characters created for DC by)
Caroline Dries … (developed by)
Ebony Gilbert … (written by) &
Maya Houston … (written by)
Natalie Abrams … (story editor)
Daphne Miles … (staff writer)
Cast (in credits order) complete, awaiting verification
Javicia Leslie … Ryan Wilder / Batwoman
Rachel Skarsten … Alice
Meagan Tandy … Sophie Moore
Nicole Kang … Mary Hamilton
Camrus Johnson … Luke Fox
Dougray Scott … Colonel Jacob Kane
Peter Outerbridge … Roman Sionis
Wallis Day … Kate Kane / Circe Sionis
Laura Mennell … Evelyn Rhyme
Nathan Owens … Ocean
Samantha Cole … Imani
Jesse Hutch … Agent Russel Tavaroff
Rachel Maddow … Vesper Fairchild (voice)
Edward Ruttle … Richard
Eric Breker … Officer Smith
James Kot … Officer Medina
Lisa Chandler … Woman in Alley
Kenton Reid Kenton Reid … Steve
Kaiden Berge … Eli
Violet Cameron … Desk Officer
Neil Charlesworth … GCPD Officer #1
Klarc Jerome Wilson … GCPD Officer #2
Naomi Hughes-Hall … GCPD Officer #3
Lisa Huynh … Woman in Church
Ian Rozylo … Agent Miller
Tyson Arner … Ogre Mask
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I watched it drunk and then sober. Nothing made sense either way.
I have no idea how this Walking Dead, Harlem Zombies, exploitation ripoff was expected or was supposed or wished to work. Lucius Fox is shot of course at the end of the episode. (GCPD racist cop cardboard villain type shoots him.). Rachel Maddow collects her coffee money paycheck, and Batgerbillette 2.0 has a new female Erkel girl friend. What? How? How? When? WHY? Uhmmm. Are we doing the casting of unqualified actors “that way” now?
Enigma, the psychologist, who programmed Circe / Kate to be a robo-chick (plank actor now… Wallis Day’s career in acting is finished.) is Alice strung up on a hanger contraption in a weird visual metaphor to certain references that no-one sane would
ever take for anything other than what it obviously is. Blegch.
There is supposed to be a social justice message padded into this zombie hunt.
Uh; did I mention Ocean snaps Enigma’s neck.
GCPD shows up. They harass, harass, harass. Only certain members of society are drug addicts, carjackers, cops, or food. And vampires and zombies always reside in churches…
GCPD only arrest certain segments of society except for the carjacker of course.
Caroline Dries is untalented and incompetent. See my end comments.
Ebony Gilbert and Maya Houston are whatever they claim to be, but they are not writers.
Javiscia Leslie is showing skin and cleavage. That is NEVER a good sign when an actress tries to use those tricks to carry a scene or an episode.
Rob Duncan is a utter disgrace as a director.
This guy has been around as third and second assistant director on crap shows for some 20 years and learned NOTHING about how to even set lights or cameras.
Murphy, this show is AWFUL. 0.3 audience score.
Blatant racism. No plot, Maddow collects coffee money and this is not even funny. It was the most offensive sin committee of all as supposed entertainment. It was BORING.
Batgerbillette 2.0 tries to cure Zombies at the church, and she fails because she is not the right socio-economic group. Crows come in and take care of business the right way and triage the zombies the only way you are supposed to take care of zombies.
I don’t even understand the Alice Ocean coda and Erkellette and Batgerbillette do their dance and I don’t know why it is a thing? And did I mention Luke gets shot by the carjacker?
That rambling nonsense I typed resembles the mess I saw.
-∞^-∞ @ -∞ for acting. directing, writing.
Google Derrick Bell and see how THIS RACIST EPISODE actually is not “critical race theory” as it really is espoused by those who are trying to actually reform society.
I really hate this stupid show.
Monty
^ Hollywood pneumatic actresses interviewed for parts “but not according to talent”.
Edits.
“Enigma, the psychologist, who programmed Circe / Kate to be a robo-chick (plank actor now… Wallis Day’s career in acting is finished.) is Alice strung up on a hanger contraption in a weird visual metaphor to certain references that no-one sane would
ever take for anything other than what it obviously is. Blegch.”
“Rob Duncan is a utter disgrace as a director.”
“Blatant racism. No plot, Maddow collects coffee money and this is not even funny. It was the most offensive sin committed of all as supposed entertainment. It was BORING.”
“I don’t even understand the Alice Ocean coda and Erkellette and Batgerbillette do their dance and I don’t know why it is a thing? And did I mention Luke gets shot by the racist cop who shoots him for reasons and ignores the carjacker?”
(Never make sudden moves and keep hands in plain sight, because the cop is trained to react to hand movement as a muscle memory cue. You would think after thousands of “show me hands” even the most stupid TV script scribbler would figure out why that line shows up in police procedurals written by writers who know their subject matter or who talked to the script profssional consultant?)
Corrected spelling and rhetoric mistakes.
Lesson #1 learned is never type on a phone when you are drunk or mad or both.
Lesson #2 learned is never watch Batwoman sober.
Monty
Batwoman’s episode was inexplicably titled “And Justice For All.” Luke was shot by Crow Officer Russel Tavaroff who is an obvious criminal and murderer. I thought this episode was disturbing, un-nuanced, and in poor taste. I should probably stop watching Batwoman. I gave it a go, but last night’s episode pushed me over the edge.
As far as I can tell, the show writers were trying to draw a parallel with George Floyd’s murder.
Now I am aware that Tovaroff was supposed to be some kind of criminal behavior cop.
BUT. Let me describe what the Batwoman episode purports to show.
Luke Fox declares that he has cell phone evidence of the car thief trying to boost the car. The police officer, who is not a police officer, but a hired security guard (Crows) for a security firm policing Gotham City, is not paying attention to the statement.
NOR SHOULD HE. He should be watching what both men do. Why?
Place yourself in the situation. You have two human beings at a car which has been vandalized and in the process 0of being stolen. Both are telling you that the other human being is the car-jacker. One of them makes a move for his jacket.
Now, then,
Law Enforcement Line of Duty Deaths in 2021 This is what killed police officers in the line of their work. Notice the way they died?
And… How many died? Year is 2021,
Total Line of Duty Deaths: ……………………………..126
9/11 related illness…………………………………………….1
Assault………………………………………………………………4 (hand to hand fight for a gun lost.)
Automobile crash………………………………………………7 (lost control of cruiser in a chase.)
COVID19…………………………………………………………..65 (infected by suspects)
Duty related illness…………………………………………….2 (usually suicide)
Gunfire…………………………………………………………….23 (killed in a shootout.)
Heart attack……………………………………………………….5 (job related stress)
Motorcycle crash………………………………………………..1 (lost control of motorcycle)
Stabbed……………………………………………………………..2 (hand to hand fight with suspect.)
Struck by vehicle…………………………………………………7 (run over by suspect’s car)
Vehicular assault…………………………………………………9 (run down by suspect’s car)
It get’s better as one gets an idea of how police officers died by incident and region.
Total Deaths by Month
January………………………………………………………………………….48
February………………………………………………………………………..31
March…………………………………………………………………………….22
April……………………………………………………………………………….19
May………………………………………………………………………………….6
The crooks were emboldened as a result of public outcry. Never forget that human beings are dangerous and the only thing that keeps the worst of them in check is a trained constabulary who WILL use lethal force at the threat of life and person of others or themselves. Note that element of law “of themselves”.
Total Deaths by State
Alabama……………………………………………………………………………1
Arizona……………………………………………………………………………..2
California…………………………………………………………………………..9
Colorado……………………………………………………………………………1
Florida……………………………………………………………………………..10
Georgia……………………………………………………………………………12 (Atlanta is in a gang war.)
Illinois………………………………………………………………………………..3
Indiana………………………………………………………………………………2
Iowa…………………………………………………………………………………..3
Louisiana……………………………………………………………………………1
Maryland……………………………………………………………………………2
Massachusetts……………………………………………………………………1
Michigan…………………………………………………………………………….1
Minnesota………………………………………………………………………….1
Mississippi………………………………………………………………………….2
New Jersey………………………………………………………………………….1
New Mexico………………………………………………………………………..1
New York…………………………………………………………………………….5
North Carolina…………………………………………………………………….7
Ohio……………………………………………………………………………………3
Oklahoma……………………………………………………………………………2
Oregon………………………………………………………………………………..2
Pennsylvania……………………………………………………………………….3
Puerto Rico………………………………………………………………………….5
South Carolina……………………………………………………………………..5
Tennessee……………………………………………………………………………2
Texas………………………………………………………………………………….21 (Texas is in a border war with Mexican drug cartels.)
Tribal Police………………………………………………………………………….2
U.S. Government………………………………………………………………..14 (This one I cannot explain. Federal police agencies have an extraordinary casualty rate this year.)
Virginia…………………………………………………………………………………2
Total Deaths by Gender
Male………………………………………………………………………………….115
Female………………………………………………………………………………..10
Male……………………………………………………………………………………..1
Statistics
Average age………………………………………………………………………..49
Average tour of duty……………………………………………………………18 years, 8 months
Total K9 Line of Duty Deaths: ………………………………………………..6 (police dogs)
Automobile crash………………………………………………………………….1 (run over by suspects)
Gunfire………………………………………………………………………………….3 (shot by suspects)
Training accident……………………………………………………………………1 (dog fell off ledge.)
Unidentified……………………………………………………………………………1 (??? Something she ate?)
This shows that most of the deaths have been by veterans, not rookies. They are second guessing themselves and not paying attention to their safety training. Part of that could be the backlash of the George Floyd murder (It was murder, I saw the video, and even though Floyd was arrested for allegedly passing counterfeit money, there was no reason for him not to have been cuffed and promptly shoved into a police cruiser and then call a supervisor to review the arrest. There were enough officers present to handle the man. They got sloppy and did not follow correct procedure or their training. All of them should have been charged.
Anyway in the episode, Luke reaches into his coat and pulls out his black cell phone. Lighting conditions, motion of hands and two simultaneous threats. One tenth of a second between life and death. Decide.
It is easy to claim Luke was well dressed and the carjacker was shabby. Track on the car jacker. Prejudge HIM. But he was white, and therefore prejudice means Luke will be shot because of skin color.
That’s NOT the real world. The real world is conflicting stories told by two strange men standing next to a boosted car, a broken into car, one is a a well dressed black man and the other is a shabby dressed white man. Drug deal gone south? Peron on person crime? The black man talks and reaches for his coat.
What Tavaroff did wrong was not yell “Freeze, don’t move.”
Track from 40.00 “Get out of there and call 911.” 40.23
Picture phone of carjack at 40.32.
Confrontation with Ely at 40.45
Door popped on car at 40.55 Alarm goes off.
Tovar0off shows up at 41.10 “What the hell’s going on?”
Ely accuses Luke of stealing the car. 41.14.
Luke gives his side of it at 41.20 The two “suspects’ are a man width apart and are facing off to Tovaroff. Ely has his hands down at his sides and Luke has his hands chest high and out in defensive posture (Good acting by Camrus Johnson…
Look at 41:23 and 41:24. This action is slooooow. Luke pulls his cell phone and from inside his inside coat pocket where a man packing a gun would carry it. Tavaroff yells “Gun!” and three rounds simulated into the center of a moving human being who is perceived to be holding a black dull light reflecting object and whose hands are in motion at twilight conditions.
41.23 on to 41.25 the run time is slooooowed down to slow-mo to make it seem Tovaroff takes 2 seconds to shoot Luke. that auto-pistol should cycle three round in about 1/10 of a second from the real world experience. So call the slow mo rate 5 to 1.
41.36 and Luke who has three bullet hit him according to the simulation about 4-6 cm below the heart is still standing? Even at this slo-mo rate? Nonsense.
41;40 Still in slo-mo he finally LIES DOWN as if he is taking a pavement nap.
I call “bull” on that whole scene as to edit cuts, simulation of effects and mimicry of a real world event.
Going by evidence, as seen, Luke got himself shot for the worst crime a human can commit, for being STUPID.
“Get out of there and call 911.” 40.23
Police officers in the real world make about 2,000 function mistakes a year.
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2021 | Statista
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People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2017-2021
Published by Statista Research Department, May 3, 2021
Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 292 civilians having been shot, 62 of whom were Black, in the first four months of 2021. In 2020, there were 1,021 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 there were 999 fatal shootings. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 36 fatal shootings per million of the population as of April 2021.
Look at the numbers and do the math. This is the REAL WORLD. The exchange ratios are roughly 2 civilian suspects for every police death.
If you think about it, compared to the bull I’ve seen here among the Kangaroos, the brutality in the states against suspectsd while bad is nothing like what it is, when the police have to fight, hand to hand, every criminal dingbat who comes equipped with a knife or shiv.
Real world. I wish Caroline Dries lived in it.
Monty
Phone again…
Police officers in the real world (in the United States) make about 2,000 function mistakes a year…
… out of 5 million stops and 2 million arrests.
to complete the thought.
Dang phone.
They should and are expected to be perfect 100% of the time. They goof once every 1,000 arrests. That is 1/10th of 1%. I wish that “I” was that good at what I do. I goof once in every 57 attempts or so, and the results are not pretty when “I” make a mistake. Yet, I am allegedly good at what I do.
Shakes head. Who dropped that key light on an assistant director again? Yeah, the Batwoman production crew.
Food for thought.
Monty
Monty