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It is the moment the Danvers have been waiting for. Jeremiah has come home. Amidst the joy there is trepidation. It seemed too easy to free him from the clutches of Cadmus. Alex can only see her wish come true. Her family reunited and whole. After a few conversations even Kara grows suspicious. A rift forms between the sisters. Lilian Luther is out of prison and everyone must watch their backs including Lena.
Please join Silver Vox and Green Butterfly as we look back on this emotionally charged pair of episodes. Jeremiah thought the decisions he was making would protect his daughters. With Lillian pulling the strings you have to be aware that every decision has consequences. This episode is one of my favorites because it shines a light on Kara. “Supergirl is what I can do, Kara is who I am.” I am glad to have Silver Vox, K Vox, and all of you to revisit these powerful moments with. In these episodes Kara was herself and she took a stand for what she believed in. Standing up for people and trying to help one another is a truly super thing to do.
Cougar’s Comic Corner
Superman/Wonder Woman (2013-2016) Vol. 5: A Savage End dated December 27, 2016
WHO LIVES, WHO DIES …
A “power couple” no more, Superman and Wonder Woman need each other more than ever if they’re to defeat the immortal despot Vandal Savage. By stealing the Man of Steel’s powers, Savage has realized his master plan to draw back to Earth the comet that gave him his power eons ago. And this time, he’s confident it will grant him unspeakable might.
In his weakened state, Superman is a near-certain casualty at the hands of Savage and the super-powered genetic offspring that kill in his name. Diana appeals to the Olympian gods to heal him, knowing that they will first put his spiritual form through an emotionally grueling test to determine his worthiness. Should the God of War’s desperate gamble pay off, she and Superman must still contend with the immortal madman and his progeny. Will that epic battle move the estranged lovers to reaffirm their feelings for one another…or must one final tragedy bring them back into each other’s arms?
Critically acclaimed writer Peter J. Tomasi (SUPERMAN) and artists Doug Mahnke (JUSTICE LEAGUE), Cliff Richards (LOBO), Ed Benes (RED LANTERNS) and Jorge Jimenez (EARTH 2: SOCIETY) chronicle what appear to be the final days of the world’s most powerful couple in SUPERMAN/WONDER WOMAN VOL. 5, collecting issues #25-29 and collected edition exclusive SUPERMAN/WONDER WOMAN #30-31.
$9.99 on Comixology!
Next Time On Maid of Steel!
It’s back to our Favorite Episodes, this one will be #9, and this time we’re going backwards to Season 1 – Episode 16, “Falling.” We are so excited to get back to this emotion-driven rollercoaster into the lives of our favorite Sisters! Get your feedback in to us by January 26 to be included in the podcast. Thanks!
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Some blog post comments…
AWE Alex and Jeremiah hugging! Oh the lost potential of more with them; true we could still see John’s episode pitch with them but…he is SUCH a presence in her life that you just want more and to see why she worships him like she did! Again I will say he is her Astra but we just haven’t seen yet her bonding moments with him really.
“Supergirl is what I can do, Kara is who I am.” – say it again Kara for those who okayed season five!
*sees bad*ss Alex photo* YAY! 😁
*sees Mon with Kara* What is this? Get it off my blog post content!!! 😡
Yay we’re going to talk about “Falling”! I’m so glad to hear that because it is a really good episode and definitely has some great sister content in there. Also what could have been overall series content had the writers embraced Kara’s complexities and not just played it to “Supers have to be pure good only”.
On to the podcast…
“I’m pretty sure HR got swept away in the explosion.” – and you wonder why K Vox is my favorite. 🐶 That’s hurtful John. The DEO is fine; Alex is not in some crap suit – positive thoughts for season six!
I enjoyed the roundtable discussion! 🙂
Monty, woo! 🙂
“We’re just going to cruise on by 10” – 👍🏻!
WHAT?! What are you doing Facebook group fans?! We’re still waiting to see DEO director Alex and we MIGHT get it at the end and you aren’t voting for it? Come on guys! John and Justina go throw me a pity vote on that one please because COME ON (also vote for Sam’s and Cat’s returns because yes to those please too!)…six years people, it’s time. You’ve disappointed me Facebook fans, except those who voted for Sam and Cat to return as you’ve only half disappointed me because I like your other choice. *shakes head at fellow MOS fandom*
“She is super without the make-up” – YEP!!!
“We have to get Mon El back” – no.
Them not moving forward with GA&TC makes me want to ask “What are you doing CW? You need to go home and sleep it off clearly because you’re drunk”; you have a series people want to see more of just because it’s connected to the show that started it all, you have a finished pilot basically, and you have characters people like attached so it’s like what are you doing? Add this to the fact they’re clearly okay with letting Chyler Leigh walk off their lots after “Supergirl” and it’s like what are you doing CW?! Are you still mad people didn’t like Crisis like you had hoped? What’s up, let’s talk because you’re making a lot of questionable choices and these don’t seem like you.
I honestly don’t care about Diggle like they think I care about Diggle; sure the Easter egg could be fun but it’s not as exciting as the announcement of an Alex Danvers spin off of course!
*listens to the Superman trailer* – SAME John! So cliché. I won’t watch it unless they suddenly cast one of the a twin as a girl. Respect still to Tyler for his comments about “Supergirl”, but I’m still not watching this.
Oh the woods scene – good choice John!
Yep, even just hearing Mon’s voice after all this time makes me want to punch him. Ha.
Mon El will NEVER bring out the best in Kara; that was a toxic relationship for sure.
If Kara wants a trainee she can do Sam Arias…I’m just saying! 🙂
We all miss season one James Justina!
Season five is soul crushing John. 🙁
Clark and Diana as a romantic couple you say? NOPE!!! 🙅🙅🙅
Kara also doesn’t work at the DEO Daryl, she works WITH them because of Alex but she is not a paychecked employee that we’ve ever seen. 🙂
Mon El is so problematic. Proud anti-Mon person!
Maggie put in so much work on Alex, I feel she doesn’t get the credit she sometimes deserves for helping Alex’s liver alone; I won’t say she saved it because Alex is a hard drinker until that point for sure, but she helped it! She also helped her learn to talk and be comfortable with who she is. Maggie may not be Alex’s OTP because of the kids difference but she definitely deserves respect for all the work she did on Alex as it were!
I will agree Leslie that it’s ridiculous Alex didn’t notice the cybernetic arm on Jeremiah, but I feel even if she had he would have talked her out of any questions she had; Alex was so wrapped up in Jeremiah nothing anyone said was going to shake her from the fact “daddy is back; my buddy is back”. She basically returned to her 10 year old self and sort of the woods scene when he does things she can’t deny would have shaken her from that mind set. UGH we need “Midvale II” because it would be SO good to see that dynamic and just what made Alex so blinded to him as even Kara could consider Astra maybe wasn’t as right as she first thought but Alex – Alex couldn’t even do that because she worshipped him so much for some reason. I just want more Jeremiah and Alex content even if it’s super dramatic and hurts as it were to watch because it’s good organic character stuff (if written right and with care); we know it ends bad but it’s just one of those things you still need to see you know? You want to see that bond even though you know it’s not going to last because you know he’s dead…for a moment though he was back and you could see her hope and maybe you know it’s just we know it’s going to be so well acted thanks to the casting of characters but yeah give me “Midvale II” which focuses heavily on the Alex-Jeremiah dynamic!
Alex saying Kara was against the family just because she questioned Jeremiah was uncalled for and not a great scene to watch as a fan of the sisters. She ignored Eliza also questioned him to an extent but then again Alex’s relationship with Eliza wasn’t as good in her mind as hers with Jeremiah so it was easy to dismiss her. It was really rough to watch Alex be that rude to Kara!
Not going to lie – I love my girl, but I feel Alex wouldn’t have stopped…would she have killed him in that moment, no she needed the information but beat him close to it and then come back later for a round two yes. Alex killed Astra (who she knew meant something to Kara) without even batting an eye essentially so some random, racist corporate goon in her mind should mean even less thus I don’t believe her when she said she would have stopped; again she only would have stopped to try and get information from him, after that and if he didn’t give it to her…she blew up a bunch of his colleagues later so I’m just saying! Again I’m not saying Alex is the level of grey/dark Amanda Waller is (she’s no where near it) and I’m not even saying she’s Lyla Michaels level of anti hero but she’s looking at Lyla level I would say…she’s steps back from her, she’s a good 6 feet apart from Lyla’s level ha; anti hero Alex Danvers is not a bad thing and I would love to see her in her spin off more but again I doubt they’ll go there because they seem to think if Alex is too dark then it reflects bad on Kara and makes her less of a clear cut hero.
I agree re Snapper Leslie!
John didn’t talk about his “Midvale II” pitch, I’m disappointed; I wanted to know all his headcannon or questions for the young Alex-Jeremiah dynamic! Also as always to follow would be Justina’s thoughts on those comments. 🙂
In regards to the poll, no; unless they tie it to Lex’s exit (just let Lex go and don’t even waste time on him writers) then it’ll just be yet another plot line that never got finished. It’s easy drama and with the laziness of the writing in season five you would think they’d do it just for that but I’m hoping for better with season six so I can see it sadly falling to the way side in the name of plots people want more given we have limited time left with the series. 🙁 If Alex does find out she’s going to kill Eve understandably so; that baby can be raised by aunt Lena!
Hello Bat-gerbil fans!
Monty here to give a review of Batwoman, the Undiscovered Travesty. That is not the Title of this season two pilot and reboot of Star Drek Discovery, er the Batwoman train wreck?
On to the Review as we introit to Michael Burnham, er Ryan Wilder in her plush furnished 1977 Ford Van complete with her Mom, who is now a potted plant. (Look the flashbacks will explain that one to you audience. You see Mommy substitute gets murdered is cremated and is now a potted plant that our “hero” talks to…
Oh it gets worse..,.
Incredible how all the coincidences move at warp speed, with the plane crash, every Kane family member, Kate’s love interests (all three of them) and even the requisite hobo victim and Michael Burnham, er wrong manure series there, guy, this is not Star Drek Discovery, it is Bat-woman, and the Mary Sue is Ryan Wilder.
Well anyway, the plane crash CGI was terrible, but better than the sophomoric acting and the expo dialog and idiotic plot written by the talentless show producer Catherine Gries who went to the Derek Simon school of BAD writing. Got to move fast and hope the audience does not catch on.
About that…
https://tvline.com/2021/01/17/batwoman-recap-season-2-premiere-javicia-leslie-kate-ryan/
Only 660,000 people watched it. Consensus… C+. Adjusted for the actual truth… It was TERRIBLE.
660,000 people watched a $2,000,000 second series pilot episode. Want to ask, who is PAYING for this offal?
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Well anyway, we get the Parole Officer scene from “Joker” where Ms. Wilder has it established that she is an MMA trained fighter, and then we get
the usual soap opera with Julia and Sophie, Marie and Jacob, HUSH and Luke Fox and Alice/Beth chewing up the scenery AAARGH! Bad acting every single scene and dialog that sounds like backed up sewer writing coming out of the toilet that is the writers bullpen on this show.
Speaking of Luke and HUSH, just how dumb is Luke? Why did he not know about the cheesy Bat-gerbil mobile? (Come to think of it, why did Kate not find it either? And HUSH does?
How about Alice and Hush? Beth and Tommy are Sick and Frick and their repartee patois is third rate Joker Bruce at best.
Mary and Luke GPS the suit and they find Mz. Victim inside it. She recites her numbers as her bona fides and I just want to remind people, that people who claim they are victims ARE NOT HEROES. This episode is unwatchable and I am not even halfway through the effluvia of human waste that is this show.
So we get more Tommy Elliot, faux Bruce clues that neither Jacob or Julia pick up and we have the Mary and Luke comedy team investigate Ryan aka Mary Sue, while she investigates the Kanes.
If only the writer of this tripe were Abel? (Not a misspelling.)
“Kate’s a hero in the suit and out of the suit.” Ah… no Ryan lady Mary Sue who talks to a plant fertilized by her adopted mother’s ashes… (Come on, you did not figure that one out, audience? Ryan is a psycho who talks to the plant, like the plant is her mother. Well, figure out why and follow me along as I trash the rest of this episode. Mary and Luke guilt out on who (Luke) sent Kate off to her death in National City.
Finally Julia, Mary and Luke figure out that Tommy Elliot has been playing them. How dumb does that make them feel? Not very. I mean Luke has about five seconds of “I am a MORON.” which permanent state of self awareness that he is a moron passes quickly as the story must get to the next soap opera scene…
About the Batmobile? Yeah, it only takes HUSH three Bat Gerbil RPGs to find it and CUT TOO…
Alice and Jacob and the BIG REVEAL to Jacob. Yeah, he is as big a moron as Luke Fox and cut too…
Batmobile chasing Ryan Wilder’s 1980s van. After a missile duel and a final fisticuffs showdown between HUSH and Michael Burnham, er Ryan Wilder, is shot with the kryptonite McGuffin and then bashed with her Mom, er the potted plant and BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!
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Codas…
Mary, Luke and Ryan come to a contretemps.
Sophie gets the Dear Jane Letter.
Safiyah Sohall leaves a similar (paper airplane) newspaper letter for Beth.
https://www.cbr.com/batwoman-season-2-dc-comics-safiyah-sohail/#:~:text=Safiyah%20Sohail%20in%20the%20Comics%20Though%20she's%20seemingly,Marguerite%20Bennett,%20James%20Tynion%20IV%20and%20Steve%20Epting.
Yeah… If I continue writing these reviews for that show, I am going to be RIP- ROARING DRUNK, when I do it.
Rate it…-20,-20,-20 out of 5/5/5
Oh man the “Adventures In Gotham” return was so bad; I’m not calling it “Batwoman” because “Batwoman” is better than that!
All I could think while watching this was ‘this is the actuality of what people feared season one would be’; all the claims of it would be poorly written and the lead couldn’t act is more this take than season one. I won’t say the new lead CAN’T act because I’ve only seen her in this one instance but they certainly didn’t do her any favors writing wise by giving her dialogue to just exposition out. Her speech about being a number would have come off much better if we had time to get to know Ryan and this was the mid season or even season finale but doing it out of the gate just felt like an in your face social justice moment which I’m for addressing but with better handling, see Kate’s sexual orientation reveal – it’s still a social topic and was clear for you to see but didn’t feel so harsh in handling to almost hit you on the head as it were…or maybe that’s just me.
“Speaking of Luke and HUSH, just how dumb is Luke?” – Monty this annoyed me SO much and made me sour to the episode to the level worth 5 points off alone! Seriously, Bruce is balking each you ask him to open the cave and you just go and open it for him…and he does this KNOWING about villains having the ability to swap faces! I can never not question Luke Fox now which is not what you want given he’s suppose to be the tech expert and person the hero trust most. *shakes head*
The only consolation to the Luke failure is he was the only one; at least they didn’t make Julia look like and idiot also by not knowing it’s not Bruce.
I also laughed hard at the fact they want us to believe a van can outrun the Batmobile. All Tommy had to do was step on the gas and he should have slammed that vehicle repeatedly! I get Luke hacking it, but still the realities of the chase were “Arrow” level fight scene bad – you could tell they were pulling physics to make a scene or the hero look cool but for me as a viewer it was just laughable.
No body usually means no death so Kate could return but to kill her potentially in a crash via a villain she doesn’t even know just feels so weak. They want us to move on from Ruby I know but we spent a full season with her so of course we’re not going to forget! Again they should have just made this actress a Kate from a different universe and worked on the dynamics because even if you don’t go face swap you still had Crisis and two Beths so you could just say this Kate was late popping up…anything would have been better almost than this reboot idea. 🙁
All the hours of dialogue with Ruby and they couldn’t have started her “reading” the letter before going into Sophie’s voice? I know realistically that’s what it would sound like since Sophie is reading it but dramatically it would have had more of a punch if you got Ruby’s voice in there in some way. A bunch of celebrities are doing Cameo now – they could have coughed up $50 to get her to read it that way…it would have been the best money they spent for the reboot easily!
I will say the effects of being shot with Kryptonite are interesting because it shows us what could happen with Alex (because how has that not been a plot yet), but on the whole the episode was just such a frustrating watch. I gave it like a 5 for the combination of good pieces there were in it but still that felt generous. Hopefully they work things out because while Alice is amazing for the series she can’t carry it by herself!
Well, here we go with episode 202 of Batwoman.
I’m drunk. Even drunk, with the brain numb, this show is unwatchable. I mean halfway through the episode, with rip-off ideas from “Alien”, Star Drek Discourtesies, and I suppose the any Tim Burton movie even remotely connected with the Franchise, I just cannot stand the pain associated with the bad acting, nonsensical plot points and the apparent emergent story.
What story, one might ask?
Batwoman Teases Kate Kane’s Pirate Ex From The Comics (screenrant.com)
Now I read that PoS story at the time and thought it was kind of boring to have a Mediterranean island pirate haven where international criminals would gather, sort of like a DC version of Mardripoor, but what the hey? If Batgerbil was to get an X-Fools type plot and this would be tied into his cousin and one of her lovers, I could see that as a niche story for a niche market readership and a niche market comic book. It would sell/fail enough to become a thing and be Bat-gerbillete specific.
Anyway, with a failing TV series, run by these showrunners, with message over entertainment and with the financial backing of a corporation looking for some good SJW press and a TAX WRITEOFF, we would get ALICE / JOKER trying to do a Jack Nicholson poison the crowd using bats instead of a dirigible motif. I’ve already mentioned the ”Alien” plot device and I should mention the cliché where Alice malapropos Julia Pennyworth’s name and stabs her in the car / spare ribs that comes any droll TV cop / clown show.
It grates for me, to see my politics twisted into a Mobius cliché for a show that will have the alt-tighters point and yell “liberal racists!”, see the “black-woman portrayed as the victim card” and never acts heroic unless Mary coaches Ryan on how to look like a “hero” to all those brie and cheese eater extras hired to “protest” in this dumb episode. I mean that even the Batwoman rally is a stand-in metaphor for the conspiracy you-tube nutters to mutter “culture war propaganda” and other, etcs. Unfortunately, since I expect my message entertainment to be ENTERTAINMENT, and this element is handled with fan-fic direction and writing finesse, I can only just take a shot, groan at the bad camerawork, the crappy editing, the obvious problems, Javicia Leslie has on the cable, even when she tries to “fake” clumsy and I still make mental predictions as to when she will wind up going to the hospital from her “stunt” injuries. Never mind that I CAN SEE HER TURN HER HEAD IN SCENE TO READ HER LINES OFF OF CUE CARDS CAMERAL RIGHT! Sheesh, that is awful acting.
My head is buzzing? Nope, it is the phone. Turn that off. If it is work to tell me they botched the last test run, they can wait a few minutes. Batwoman does not kill on this show? Since when? I remember a couple of Crows and a few thugs winding up as post mortems because of Kate Kane. Failing to prevent through a willful deliberate choice IS the same as murder in the eyes of the law.
And we get the “cue the clue, I am not Kate Kane because I am black inside the Bat-gerbilette suit” peoples. Why is that joke run past the camera four times? Is it supposed to be a repetitive Creel advertising method^1 to let the audience know that Ryan Wilder is a Black Batwoman?
^1 George Creel was the Joseph Goebbels of the WWI Woodrow Wilson administration. He was despicably evil and a liar and a racist of epic proportions. He would have made a good Nazi.
It appears we’re under attack from bats.
No, we are not. That is bad writing that attacks. I am ROTFLMAO. My head hurts. This is -40,-40,-40 out of 5/5/5 territory for acting, writing, and directing and I am not more than 3/5 of the way through. Can it get worse?
BTW, Mary is Captain Oblivious as she expos plot points straight-faced as if she is Power Point Cued to say those stupid points off a written checklist. I wonder if she uses the same idiot prompter Javicia Leslie uses to keep her lines straight as she reads them camera forward? This is hilarious. I thought Nicole Kang could at least memorize her lines?
Oh well. The mass murderess gives Captain Oblivious the antidote. BTW why are the Bat Lives Matter protesters being directed to Mary’s illegal top-secret clinic the Crows are not supposed to know exist?
Hunh?
Bat-gerbillete 2.0, who used her van to outrun the Bat-gerbil-mobile, says “I can barely get my van to do 40.” Is driving the bat-gerbil-mobile to carry the thing-of-my-bob that lures toxin laden bats to it; to a place where the bats can be pie-eyed piped away from Starfleet HQ@ (Wrong show, that is NOT Michael Burnham!) that is Got Ham actors city. And she is doing 40.
My lungs hurt. Who knew laughing can be so painful?
More “I have been trapped in a life surrounded by criminals. I know how they think. Let be me Bat-gerbillete 2.0 please?”
Uh… No.
As a final joke for a tax write-off.
Rachel Maddow Joins The CW’s ‘Batwoman’ (Exclusive) | Hollywood Reporter
I have no words for this whatever it purports to be.
I think I gave this rating already… -40,-40,-40 out of 5/5/5? Actually, therfe are no numbers or words to describe this calamity of a show.
Monty