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“Back From The Future Part One” brings us up to speed on the last two years of Winn Schott’s life in the future and reveals the hero that he has become amongst the Legion. We also get further insight into how things are shaping up in this post-Crisis Earth Prime and how Lex Luthor is bent on finding out all he can about Leviathan. And we turn the heat up on Kara and William. Sigh.
Playing for the Winn!
Supergirl — “Back From The Future Ð Part One” — Image Number: SPG511B_0316b.jpg — Pictured (L-R): Nicole Maines as Nia Nal/Dreamer, Jeremy Jordan as Winn Schott, Jesse Rath as Brainiac-5 and Chyler Leigh as Alex Danvers — Photo: Dean Buscher/The CW — © 2020 The CW Network, LLC. All rights reserved.
Picking up from last week’s photo of Winn being in Lex’s hands, Brainy calculates the details of derailing a prison bus transport and frees “Winn?” from the authorities. Lex sits down with the new fugitive, who we learn is a doppelganger for our beloved Winn from another Earth. (Me smelleth plot contrivance) Lex exposits to us viewers that (I’m going to refer to him as…) ToyWinn is trying to get revenge for his father getting his patent stolen and therefore his suicide. Lex also coaches him that he’s being amateur about it and that whatever he does he needs to think bigger and he points him to National City’s Toy Fair where ToyWinn’s nemesis will be unveiling something new. ToyWinn starts his planning saying to his dead father (who on Earth Prime is not “his” father, but, anywho…) that he will be living forever. At the Toy Fair ToyWinn tries to take out the nemesis but is thwarted by our beloved Winn who shows up in a Legion ship and saves the day; but, ToyWinn is not caught and foiled. Winn is crazy upset that this is not done because, as he explains to Supergirl and Alex, his future self is being threatened because he is being framed for this murder and will lose his wife and daughter. This is news to the SupeSisters and they are thrilled for him. It looks like ToyWinn had an accomplice and Brainy is quick to step in and says he’ll investigate. Winn also believes that Lex Luthor is a hero so the SupeSisters take him to see J’onn who has built his own Superfriends hideout which he christens “The Tower” and they get Winn all Crisis’ed up. Winn barfs in the bag. Repeatedly. (This is by far the best reaction to anyone getting woken up to the real truth, ‘jus sayin.’) ToyWinn hacks the public frequencies and says he’s angry that someone would try to take down his family and as soon as he gets 1,000,000 likes there’s going to be fireworks like you’ve never seen. He can’t be location tracked so they call in Nia to get a clue to his whereabouts. All she sees in her dreamscape is Brainy who turns into a tiger. Nia is upset because…see Brainy’s 12th level jerkitude from last week. Winn says he can handle it. It seems Nia’s descendant is Nura Nal (a very nice comic nod) and one of his best Legion buddies. Winn assures Nia that no one needs to let her fell devalued in any way. It is really a nice moment between them and you can tell the connection that Winn has to Nia’s family. Winn deduces that ToyWinn would go back to his dad’s old hangout but the heroes see that he was there but is long gone. They also deduce from the photos that the Rojas family has something to do with the Schott betrayal and therefore ToyWinn will be attacking at Andrea’s address at National City University, home of the Tigers. Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Andrea blabs Obsidian and having both your life and your dream, and not having to choose between them, and puppies, and wine, and naked babies. (Wait, what?!) Anywho, ToyWinn gets discovered in the mascot tiger suit and unleashes three big mechanical tigers to attack our assembled Care Bear staring heroes. The music cranks up “Eye of the Tiger” by Survivor. (Yes, that one. Yeeeeeeeesssssssss, I’m being cereal!) Supergirl’s heat vision is not doing much but Winn’s Legion ring has concentrated Nia Nal’s powers and takes the kittens down. Winn sees his opportunity to confront ToyWinn and there’s a bomb but ToyWinn doesn’t care. He drops the dead man switch and Winn teleports himself out of there. Supergirl superspeeds everyone to safety and everything blows up. Winn’s wanted poster and bounty of $12,000,000 is now gone replaced by the picture of his wife and daughter. Winn finds Brainy in the Tower and confronts him about what he’s doing. Brainy confesses that he’s lying to everyone and also working with Lex. He brought ToyWinn into play knowing everything that would happen and that no one would get hurt but the problem is Lex is a variable that he cannot control. Winn is SuperAngry but then decides that since everything worked out that he can forgive his friend Brainy. He also agrees to keep Brainy’s secret even as Brainy admits he never wanted to break things off with Nia. It’s game night! Cheers to new friends (William) and old friends that find their way home. The DEO is locking up the ToyWinn evidence when the case with the computer that he was talking to about living forever…comes back to life. Not him. The case. Comes back to life. The case…
Lena, Andrea, and Leviathan 2.0
Remember that whole Leviathan thing? Lex does and he’s got Brainy on his side. Lena wants Lex working on her “Do no Harm” project but she’s lost her q-waves. Lex assures her to stick to the plan and Brainy agrees that Leviathan has to be the major focus and that he won’t rat them out to the Superfriends. Lex needs Lena to go ask Andrea about her Leviathan knowledge. Lena’s not happy but agrees. The two old friends sit while Lena forgives Andrea for taking the medallion. Andrea questions why now and Lena explains that she knows about Leviathan. Andrea is visibly moved and is glad that someone else knows. Lena wants Andrea to know that she will help her get out of anything Leviathan asks of her. Andrea says that they never have asked anything, just that one day they would come calling. (So I guess we’re Acrata-less in Earth-Prime.) Lena has her information and leaves Catco. Lex uses Brainy to get on board Winn’s Legion ship and finds the cube of all-ness. All knowledge (it connects to sub-conscious), all genie-like(it produces whatever you want), all what-do-they-have-this-kind-of-thing-in-the-future-for-anyway?! The cube of all-ness shows Lex the major Leviathan players and he targets in on Gemamnae. Later he takes the cube to Lena who finds her missing q-waves. They were out there they just needed to be brought into the right time. (uhhhhhhhhhh) Lex muses to Lena that Mum would be thrilled seeing them playing so well together. Lena does not co-muse.
Kara and William are “Partners”
Pulitzer winner Kara and William go to the Toy Fair to cover the “Valient” Lex Luthor on the debut of his action figure. (If anyone wants to get me something for my birthday, ‘jus sayin.’) William gets down to business about how Lex took out Russell Rogers’ company and how Russell subsequently disappeared and you wouldn’t happen to know anything about that, would ya? Lex poo-poos him down off of the ledge and pulls Kara aside to let her know that if William continues his “L-expose” that it will not go well for him. Later at Catco Kara agrees with William that Lex is not the hero he seems to be but he should probably still drop it. Instead he spies on Lex even getting photographic evidence of him gaining access to Winn’s ship. Kara, seeing he’s not going to give up, suggests that they partner up to investigate Lex. Then comes the nasty sandwich he’s going to eat at the office all by his lonesome. Then he comes to game night. Then comes Part Two of this story. And then comes The CW. And then comes much smooching. Oh Lawd!
Randomized Thoughts and Conclusions
Winn’s back! Let’s face it, Jeremy Jordan is sorely missed and no one said it better than Papa Bear with the hug. What I adored about this episode was Winn’s realization that as much as he was always trying to run away from his father that he kept running to the hero that he wanted to be. But instead of settling on being The Guardian’s “overwatch” he has grown into a true man of the galaxy and a real hero to the world(s), and more importantly, to his family. I love the true-to-life story of Winn’s character that matches Jeremy’s real-life journey over the last couple of years. I know we only get him back for three episodes, but I think that is going to be the absolute best way to remember why he belongs in our Supergirl world and hopefully continue to bring him back in doses.
I’m not sure why we need The Tower, except that the DEO is Lex-ified, but even still this is a lot of effort to create StarLabs or the Arrow Bunker, or Uncle Gambi’s underground lair in National City. Is the new Hall of Justice in Central City and therefore unaccessible? Maybe.
Relationship drama – it’s what’s on The CW. I get it. Usually I enjoy it but given in such high doses this week, and likely even more when we return in Part Two, it gets to be a bit much. Will Brainy be able to win Nia back once Lex is shown to be his true self? Not if she’s smart! Twice burned, third time? Don’t be an idiot, Nia. Will William and Kara figure out the balance of two lives just as sweet as she and Mon-El? Ehhhhhhhhhhhh.
I noted in the Facebook group that the writers are having a swell time pulling a rabbit out of their hat and chalking it up to “Post-Crisis Reset.” Like the ToyWinn doppelganger from another Earth…how? They’re going to need to Reign (ha!) that in quick.
It was a well crafted story that I enjoyed quite a bit for no other reason than Winn being back. And that’s reason enough.
Rating? 8 out of 10 vacation weeks to mask evil
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This little missive is to go into a bit further detail about questions raised in this episode.
1. Depowered Supergirl: I listened to Green Buttlerfly’s explanation about the way the shots at the toy convention were edited to give the impression that Supergoyl handed off the tiggers to Winn and Nia, so she could handle the superspeed evacuation of the endangered by the Toyman bomb. Can’t buy into it. The sequence of scenes are too many and the action beats are too extended in the tigger fight to make this interpretation plausible. Besides, if we get super-speed rescue, we should see super-speed capture when Toyman leaves behind a dummy to fool and foil Supergoyl. Kara should not fall for the manikin gag or have such problems with the rest of the shenanigans unless needs of the story to maxify Winn and Nia at those moments in the plot.
2. Ayla Ganz, Lightning Lass, is indeed the first indication we have that the three-time loser, Mon-el Railroad, is a Daxamite Untrustworthy Loathsome Lothario (DULL) who cannot be trusted as seen by the in series evidence we have. He weds them and beds them like there is an assembly line? That Ayla rebounded upon Winn is interesting and makes me wonder if there could have been a better writer choice besides “dream power” to explain Winn’s lightning based powers, like maybe LIGHTNING? It is needs of the story to connect Nicole Maines’ part with Jeremy Jordan’s as the A story centerpiece action set that makes the clumsy choice of “dream power” the nomenclature. In this case Silver Vox’s comparison of imagination to make a construct does indeed make me suspect LANTERN technology may be involved and that also can be a latent ability explanation for the character Nia Nall. See 5.
3. That interface with the Legion ship is a clumsy version of the Kryptonian dream crystals which seem to be the operator system for the Fortress of Certitude on this whacky show. To compare that to a VR program like Obsidian is an error. It is more akin to Krell thought device that was first introduced in Forbidden Planet. Or it can be thought of in DC terms as a remote energy manipulator like a LANTERN ring, which would make it an Oan technology based artifiact or something akin. We have a clumsy Apokalypian analog to it also, which in DC mythology is a wish stone made out of technology called A MOTHER BOX. Think of it in any of those terms.
4. Back in the Legion that followed the fantastic Threeboot Legion, there was an Earth population that had regressed into a VR world. This is of what Obsidian reminded me. The Threeboot Legion were teen-aged rebels who wanted to shake the fuddy duddy adults out of their fantasy land and return them to the Earth and United Planets of reality-ville. Think of the movie WALL-EE, only with the humans even more far-gone in their detachment from reality.
5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Super-Heroes#.22Threeboot.22_continuity_.282004.E2.80.932009.29
6. Jesse Rath. Sigh. You either like his off the wall gonzo performances or you cringe when you see him on camera. There is no middle ground with him. This episode he whines a lot. I think his best bit was when he action plonked that tree branch in the road, as it is pre-calculated to be hit by that bus to fling the lodged rock in the branch into the bus’ windshield, causing the driver to flip it and thus engender the escape of Toyman from his all-expenses paid vacation at the local steel Hilton.
7. “Come with me if you want to live.” Apparently Braindead endangered the timeline and thwarted the excellent work of the National City Police and the Criminal Justice System. 16 hours from popping out of Al’s Bar to apprehension and a free trip to the local hoosegow and an appointment with Sparky is rather good for Toyman, even by Jonah Hex, “catch them and hang them” after a posse on the spot vote in a de facto frontier two-step square dance dosey doe… standard.
8. I think the 2 person set piece scene when Jesse Rath tries and fails to earn bathos with Jeremy Jordan can best be understood by comparing the other person in the rodeoed romance rondell, Nicole Maines, as she interacts with Jeremy Jordan in her 2 person set-piece. You instantly recognize the whiney bitch between the two? That is inside the writing, but the actor gets to make a choice how far to push the tone. Rath miscued it and pushed it too far, as usual. That is objective me using the contrast and compare method to gauge the through the camera result.
9. Another thing I did not address was David Harewood’s little ego piece when he gets to direct himself showing off “The Tower”. A little HAM on Wry is acceptable, considering how much the actor has been misused last and this season. He takes the opportunity to play to the camera and milks his scene for dry comedy, which is appreciated.
10. Based on 1-9, I still rate the episode a 5/5/5 out of 5/5/5, but I am painfully aware that I have not even scratched the surface of the flaws in the acting, directing and writing. It earns the 5/5/5 because the overall mesh teamwork effect of most of the people, through the camera and behind it, was good enough to mask the defects under the results of catharsis, audience participation and emotional connectivity with most everyone except for Staz Nair, Azie Tesfal and Jesse Rath. Staz; either repulsed the audience by his stolid dullness and jerk-dumb through the camera. Azie; made no connection to the viewer whatsoever. Jesse Rath was all over the place, but not where he needed to emotionally register. Each of them, respectively, was awful for different non-performance reasons. Insert mannikins and tape record their lines, and no functional difference.
Monty
P.S. If there are additional questions I missed, please remind me?
i don’t understand your second point. it was imra that mon-el married. saturn girl
The timeline is not the same from the COIE collapse. In this episode, Winn says he married Ayla. Of the Legion that has to be Ayla Ganz. Mon-el in the past did mention he knew Ayla. Being the HD that he, Mon-el is, I presumed he went through her to get to the political marriage with Imre. In any case, Mon-el horn-piped his way to Supergiyl like he had a gal in every port and could do the Tangiers Tango Atlantic Fleet style.
That is only a slight extrapolation.
@ Leslie. You are not wrong. I just choose to put Mon-el in the light in which he was written when introduced, that is in the worst possible light; so he could be “remolded” into a “good guy” over the course of his association with Supergirl.
It actually follows the Valor/Lar Gand/ Val Or character bible of the Legion. Mon-el was NTG in the beginning and had to be reshaped into a good guy. Even as late as WONK he is a bit shady.
I still don’t understand where this assumption is coming from. Sure he says he knows her but not that he and Ayla ever got together
https://www.cbr.com/supergirl-legion-of-super-heroes-lightning-lass/
That is the story Mon-El tells of how he knows Ayla.
“Mon-El and Imra’s story lines up with Ayla’s comic book origin. Introduced in Adventure Comics #308, Ayla is the twin sister of Garth Ranzz, aka Lightning Lad. The Lightning twins grew up on Winath with their brother Mekt, who went on to become the villain Lightning Lord. Like her siblings, she received her powers after they crashed on the planet Korbal, where a herd of Lightning Beasts imbued them with electricity-based powers. She initially joined the Legion in honor of Garth after he was killed by Zaryan the Conqueror. She has also gone by the moniker Light Lass and displays a variety of abilities, including electrokinesis and energy absorption.”
The rest is extrapolation.
Monty
Regarding Winn’s wife, I meant to write that Mon-el in the “Legion of Superheroes” mentioned an “Ayla,” who was from Winath whose planet had been destroyed in the future by blight until Supergirl and team defeated Pestilence in the present time. I wondered whether Winn’s Ayla was the same person Mon-el had been talking about. I rewatched the scene where Winn shows a picture of his wife. She wasn’t Imra Ardeen, Mon-el’s ex-wife.
Some blog post comments…
“Pulitzer winner Kara” – LOL!!! ??? Oh that’s so funny!
I’ll be honest, I haven’t missed Winn; at least not as much as others. I put this on the fact Winn kind of annoyed me in season one with his pouting towards Kara over her not returning his feelings and in season 2 working with James did him no favors in my books; his humor also can be misses for me. I don’t hate Winn but he’s not a favorite for mine either.
Given Mon always came off as someone to me who just wanted in Kara’s pants with how much he ignored her point of view at times I wouldn’t say they figured out jack! That said the more I see of William and Kara scenes the more I’d rather be made to watch Kara and Mon scenes because as bad as those are at least you feel something in them. I’m verging on the point where I would do the extreme for me of watching just Kara/Mon content from S2 in order to avoid watching any more William/Kara romance scenes!
On to the podcast…
I’d rather have an Alex action figure. 🙂
Where, shouldn’t it be WHEN this week? 😉
SO EXCITED for super Alex!!! That said it should only be for one episode because what makes Alex special on this series is the fact she doesn’t have powers and that powerless her if you will is powerful Kara’s hero so no permeant powers for Alex.
I have to say the “Arrow” final was a lot better than I was expecting.
You can be mad and still have things go well, Winn had every right to be angry in John’s scene and it’s a shame he took it back in my opinion.
Same Darryl re: not taking “Eye Of The Tiger” seriously! Also fair point about Kelly. William and Kara as a parallel Lois and Clark…that makes me want to throw up in my mouth; Lois could never be that boring!
I also agree Darryl that Kara and Nia would be great teaming up paper wise but I disagree on Kara mentoring her as Nia learned from Cat, if anyone was going to mentor anyone it should Nia teaching Kara how to be a real reporter. 🙂
No writing out the DEO!
Remember season one John when you’d have great music for episode ends? I still turn up “One Call Away” by Charlie Puth out of memories! For me it’s not necessarily the music selection itself, although at times it is just cliché, but the volume and just clear insertion; if they had this music come in like normal background music it might be one thing but the way they’re doing it is just too much.
William and Kara Valentine’s? You made it worse Justina. ?:)
“Batwoman” and “Arrow” actually did a great job explaining doppelgängers this week, for “Batwoman” the fact Beth Prime is there (spoiler sorry) is complicated by Alice also being brought into the Prime Earth and now only one can exist on Earth Prime so Kate apparently has to make a choice based on trailers – even though we know something will happen so we keep Alice because that is her bad guy. In this example both women are kind of tearing themselves apart because “there can be only one”; we see near the end of the episode that they can only exist at the same time for so long. In the case of “Arrow” Laurel 1.0 is dead thus there’s space for Laurel 3.0 so no harm there on crashes. With “Supergirl” they avoid the long term effect with see with “Batwoman” by killing off Toyman Jr before the end of the episode, however there is a question of if there’s no longer Earth 38 then how is there a future Winn? Would he not have been erased when it was and now Toyman is the Winn Prime if you will? Sure you can argue maybe Winn still exists because the Legion is in a post Crisis future but if that’s the case again I ask how did Brainy not know about it to warn them, or Mon could have said something or Irma, because as much as they’ve mentioned a Crisis in just this last week it had to make news! Even if they’re a century removed from it Brainy still should have known with his level 12 intellect. It’s all just very problematic and as I’ve said before I feel there’s going to be a lot of little details that get dismissed by writers but which actually add up to be big deals to fans long run; I know Crisis is a cool thing to pull off but you have to remember the little details also because they are what really sell your move long term and as it stands for me personally the shows aren’t pulling that off – Crisis feels like a special event which just creates more problems than they may have wanted to solve. It kind of reminds me of “Endgame” in that regard – lot of build up but when you really look at the little details it starts to fall apart beyond the cool factor. There’s just a lot of hand waving going on to make plots work currently on all the shows and it’s episode quality down for at least me; hopefully between this and next seasons they’ll take some extra time to sit down and say “Ok, here are the new rules post Crisis” and apply them to everyone so you’re not having competing stories and so fans know this is a Crisis thing because again as it stands there’s a lot of jumbled elements going on and it makes for confusing viewing at times which isn’t fun.
To be fair, who isn’t Katie good with? 🙂
I think Nia will give Brainy one more try, but she’s definitely going to be guarded at the start understandably. He’s messed up yes but not to a degree where you can’t go back yet I feel so I’d give them one more but after that they’re done behind friends. If she didn’t take him back though I feel that would be understandable also because he has jerked her around emotionally even if it was unintentional.
Nitpick Phoenix, Kate wasn’t forced to come out – that was poor plot progression in that episode because Kate said way before meeting the girl that she wanted to make it clear Batwoman is a lesbian so she was always going to do that but it was cool to see the CatCo magazine used; I didn’t need to see Kara actually talking to a suited up Kate to make that work personally.
“Batwoman” and “Supergirl” mini crossovers are coming for sure as Marc G said in the Crisis after show that they are the new Oliver-Barry friendship if you will.
This Lex is not good John.
“…this universe never existed when his did” – great point Adam!
I can agree with Justina, if you flip over the cube it probably says MADE BY OBSIDIAN.
Irma is Mon’s wife, not the same person Winn is married to; they look similar but I heard the names as different.
Alex is next to Kara or J’onn more than not so they’re good on the symbol. 🙂 That said it would be interesting to see what hers would be; I feel a dark color would work for her because anti hero but the actual symbol I’m not sure…I feel an schooling beverage is too easy. Ha. I disagree Leslie, I wouldn’t call Alex a paragon of humanity as much as I love her because she tends to lean towards the dark elements of our capabilities rather than the light ones, this does not mean Alex is evil I’m just saying she’s not exactly as peppy as another might be to reflex both sides of humanity. Paragon Of Loyalty I could get because when she’s with you she is with you but Humanity…I think she misses out on this one.
I could actually see Lena Luthor as the Paragon Of Humanity certainly for our group because yes she is trying to create a mind control device basically but she’s doing it with good intentions in mind. Yes she can be moody when she’s hurt but she is also capable of good also. I think she’s more a realistic blend of humanity than just one side or the other.
I don’t think we’ve seen Kara’s love yet if the qualification is her being completely happy, there is Adam but that would require a recast to resume; Mon was very problematic emotionally in opinion and William is just forced so no to that. There might have been Lena but Kara unnecessarily lied to her so I feel that’s out. Ooh Kate/Kara, Kara loves Kate (probably because she’s basically rich Gotham Alex but still) ha; I feel this isn’t a realistic possibility though because Kara is straight and also Kate has yet to meet Maggie who in the comics is her big love. True Greg Berlanti takes pride in not being beholden to comic pairings but still that is a large pairing so they might give fans that one especially as they went against the grain when it came to “Arrow”. “Black Lightening” also has their comic pair of Grace and Anissa so that’s two cannon comic pairs if they do Maggie/Kate so by extension Kara is due up for someone not from the comics, this means no Brainy/Kara sadly. Personally I’m fine with them taking time to find the best match for Kara because so far they are missing the mark more than not and I’d really hate to see her with someone just because others are hooked up.
I actually don’t think Andrea has been reset Leslie, just because we haven’t seen her powers active yet post Crisis doesn’t mean they aren’t there so she could be called on again later in the season. Maybe this time Lena gets to her so she is at least on her side. For me Andrea is still cannon compliant from what we saw pre Crisis.
This is my take on mind vineyards – it’s essentially sensory exploitation. You buy the DLC wine and taste it virtually via the interface. In your mind you tasted this personally crafted blend of liquid but in reality it never happened; the program already messes with your other senses to make you think this is reality so why not add taste to the package! Again the writers aren’t pulling on anything new they’re just taking it to the realm of what if all these tech pitches actually worked as said; think about it we have PlayStation VR, image that but with the most amazing graphics card ever – that’s basically Andrea’s lenses.
Happy early birthday Justina! ?
Comments Section…
Irma is Mon’s wife we see during season 3 Monty. Mon may have hooked up with Ayla but he also could have not; I don’t feel there’s enough to say either way which is correct – we just know he knows of her. If he did sleep with her it wouldn’t surprise me but to give him credit he has enough issues so not adding to them with sleeping with her is something he may try. I still stand by the concept Mon and Irma love each other and it’s not a political thing; the writers can try to recant that all they want but the fact is Mon we see before the reveal is not the Mon we get post it so that’s definitely a “for plot” change and thus inorganic to me. Even if you do buy the political marriage beginning it doesn’t mean they can’t also love each other so yeah I subscribe to the fact he does care about her and she can tolerate him because maybe he did grow not the “we’re only married in the legal sense” plot we got post story force to make Mon/Kara seem possible again.
maybe things between mon-el and imra grew to be love but it did start out to prevent a planetary war so it was definitely political at least in the beginning. i don’t think they’d ever do maggie sawyer on batwoman unless they recast.
“Given Mon always came off as someone to me who just wanted in Kara’s pants with how much he ignored her point of view at times I wouldn’t say they figured out jack! That said the more I see of William and Kara scenes the more I’d rather be made to watch Kara and Mon scenes because as bad as those are at least you feel something in them. I’m verging on the point where I would do the extreme for me of watching just Kara/Mon content from S2 in order to avoid watching any more William/Kara romance scenes!”
That is the extrapolation. Also, thanks, for seeing what I see with Staz Nair. I thought I might be the only one who thinks he is a stiff in this role.
About Alex. I have some concerns about how muddy and unfocused her character has become. In seasons 1,2,3 we had seen her character tend toward a “BAT” in characteristics with occasional Iron Widow stints as she got to play with battle armor. Her “non-existent” SJW warrior driven love life was a fail as all such forced polemics are. Alex, the character, should have evolved as Nia’s character later did, as a voyage of discovery and growth into her personal version of the human condition, but what can you do with incompetent writers on this show, except show them the errors they make, while making them?
Big problem with “The Tower”. From the 6 contact medallions, I see on the wall, I ID, Supergoyl, Bat-gerbil (I kid; I like Kate/Ruby Rose as Batwoman.), Barry, J’onn, Nia, and Braindead. Where is ALEX? I mean she deserves a seat at the table of Team Supergoyl, doesn’t she?
Andrea Rojas, the character was lost in the writing. I have no idea where she is in the overall story. BTW, where is Eve Tessmacher/Hope[less] in all of this Leviathan baloney?
“Irma is Mon’s wife we see during season 3 Monty. Mon may have hooked up with Ayla but he also could have not; I don’t feel there’s enough to say either way which is correct – we just know he knows of her. If he did sleep with her it wouldn’t surprise me but to give him credit he has enough issues so not adding to them with sleeping with her is something he may try. I still stand by the concept Mon and Irma love each other and it’s not a political thing; the writers can try to recant that all they want but the fact is Mon we see before the reveal is not the Mon we get post it so that’s definitely a “for plot” change and thus inorganic to me. Even if you do buy the political marriage beginning it doesn’t mean they can’t also love each other so yeah I subscribe to the fact he does care about her and she can tolerate him because maybe he did grow not the “we’re only married in the legal sense” plot we got post story force to make Mon/Kara seem possible again.”
I still think Mon el Railroad is a hornpipe, though I concede he is a better scuzzball for a Kara love object than William Day. I suggest a Sue Dibny exist for that character Staz Nair plays PDQ and maybe bring in Biron (Earth-One) (Look him/her/it up.) to replace him. I guarantee you will be neigh the more shocked.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Biron_(Earth-One)
Monty
I don’t know if they HAVE to recast Daryl, unless Floriana is busy of course, but I wouldn’t be surprise if they did. They could still have the same history of Maggie with Alex but just use the old “it’s me, I’m here, let’s move on” trick to wave away the appearance differences.
As for Mon and Irma, sorry I still can’t support that added drama reveal because it feels just so unnecessary. When Mon and Irma arrived they were clearly happy and that’s okay, it was seven years for him and personally I always debated whether he loved Kara as much as she cared about him anyways but that’s a different debate, the addition of a “married for political reasons” plot felt very much “why?” to me and the only thing I can come up with is it creates this debate of their marriage isn’t real because he doesn’t really love her so he could divorce her and return to Kara and I didn’t like that. I didn’t like any of what they did with Mon in season 3 because they had a chance to have him grow but he was still the same guy who never listened and seemed to only care about what he wanted; Kara asked him repeated to give her space but he wouldn’t and we start with him happy and seeming very adultish but then suddenly there’s a political marriage reveal to suggest there’s and opening so Karamel could be together…just no.
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I don’t know if Staz is stiff Monty or if it’s just this Ken doll role because I haven’t seen him in anything else; William isn’t bad to look at but he’s so cliché in his plot that it’s boring to watch and feels like a waste of time. The relationship dynamic with Kara feels rushed and thus I don’t get the honest chemistry if there’s any to be found to begin with because they’re pushing this so hard and fast we don’t get small moments with them like we have with other couples so I don’t know if they do have chemistry to sell or if it’s just Melissa’s cute face alone that makes you awe seeing Kara happy. Maybe in another part Staz could be awesome to see but as William he’s just boring to me.
Alex definitely deserves a seat at the table because without her J’onn would still be in a DEO collector case back in season one and Kara would be a hot mess so she definitely deserves a seat at the table! As for her glyph, she’s usually in the battle anyways in some form so I don’t know if she needs a call button; that said they could give her one out of courtesy still – she doesn’t use it but it’s there.
“BTW, where is Eve Tessmacher/Hope[less] in all of this Leviathan baloney?” – I assume Eve is still out there unHoped but I’m fine not seeing her again. If they want to have Andrea Brooks return to play someone new then that’s fine but I’m okay with Eve not coming back unless she’s going to be a boss good guy/villain because minion her feels limiting to her abilities…although maybe she likes that because people dismiss her more which makes it easier to do what she wants/needs.
I have heard Sue Dibney mentioned on a “Flash” episode I watched once but I don’t know her history. Is she just mentioned never shown because I don’t think that would work as fans want to see the characters who can make our mains happy. Is she killed off because no killing characters to write them off; just have them as friends as that’s a possibility and a unique plot to see on shows – an unrelated, both single girl and guy not wanting to sleep together but still having fun with each other what a revolutionary on screen visual!
“I don’t know if Staz is stiff Monty or if it’s just this Ken doll role because I haven’t seen him in anything else; William isn’t bad to look at but he’s so cliché in his plot that it’s boring to watch and feels like a waste of time. The relationship dynamic with Kara feels rushed and thus I don’t get the honest chemistry if there’s any to be found to begin with because they’re pushing this so hard and fast we don’t get small moments with them like we have with other couples so I don’t know if they do have chemistry to sell or if it’s just Melissa’s cute face alone that makes you awe seeing Kara happy. Maybe in another part Staz could be awesome to see but as William he’s just boring to me.”
https://youtu.be/8ywNgVkI8DY
https://youtu.be/Aphy7mD1vwg
Make up your own mind. To me he is a stiff.
No talent. Can’t act, can’t sing, can’t dance, and he raises my hackles when I see him through the camera like nails on a blackboard.
IOW Britain in this sense has got a no-talent plastic banana boy band knockoffs. No-sale American.
“Alex definitely deserves a seat at the table because without her J’onn would still be in a DEO collector case back in season one and Kara would be a hot mess so she definitely deserves a seat at the table! As for her glyph, she’s usually in the battle anyways in some form so I don’t know if she needs a call button; that said they could give her one out of courtesy still – she doesn’t use it but it’s there.”
The Glyph for Alex could be this.
[img]https://i.ibb.co/fdQKTbH/Alex.png[/img]
[img]https://i.ibb.co/6b63TDQ/Alex-3.png[/img]
” “BTW, where is Eve Tessmacher/Hope[less] in all of this Leviathan baloney?” – I assume Eve is still out there unHoped but I’m fine not seeing her again. If they want to have Andrea Brooks return to play someone new then that’s fine but I’m okay with Eve not coming back unless she’s going to be a boss good guy/villain because minion her feels limiting to her abilities…although maybe she likes that because people dismiss her more which makes it easier to do what she wants/needs.”
If Leviathan is going to make sense, then Eve has to pay-off as a classic Lena created “spy-in-the-enemy-organization plot.”
“I have heard Sue Dibney mentioned on a “Flash” episode I watched once but I don’t know her history. Is she just mentioned never shown because I don’t think that would work as fans want to see the characters who can make our mains happy. Is she killed off because no killing characters to write them off; just have them as friends as that’s a possibility and a unique plot to see on shows – an unrelated, both single girl and guy not wanting to sleep together but still having fun with each other what a revolutionary on screen visual!” ”
The story is called “Identity Crisis” and involves Sue Dibny’s murder by Doctor Arthur Light. He is eventually caught and is brainwiped ex-judio without due process in a frankly disturbing and immoral story line penned by Brian Metzer. It is so outrageous that not only is Arthur Light brain-wiped and punished without a fair trial, but so is Batman to prevent him from interfering and trying to bring the Justice League to justice for their illegal judge-jury-executioner lynching role… sort of like what the DEO does anyway in this TV series in Supergirl, catching aliens and putting them away without any due process or legalities, or civil rights applied at all?
Season one DEO for sure laughed at legalities, but I do wonder what their on the book protocol was – are they suppose to send those captured back to their home planet for judgement? Do you face a judge on some level here? Are they back to also talking in metas because some can’t be handled in a regular cell? There’s so much to explore with the DEO and how people view them!
Was “Back From The Future; Part Two” so awful that we decided to skip it and hope everyone forgets it?
Monty