Star Trek: Discovery – Season 2, Episode 14: Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2


For episode 40 of The Star Trek Discovery Podcast, Ruthie and I continue our discussion of Season 2 Episode 14 of Star Trek: Discovery, which is titled, Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2. This episode was written by Michelle Paradise & Jenny Lumet & Alex Kurtzman, and directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi. This episode, we are focussing on the parts of the episode that our listeners and we had problems with – and we highlight them in our Nos and Hold Your Horses sections. This is our second podcast covering this episode, so we recommend you start our coverage of the season finale by listening to episode 39 if you haven’t already done so. In that episode, we go over feedback from the previous episode, as well as ratings and Yeses. There will be a third episode to follow. Thanks go out to my co-host on Fear the Walking Dead Talk Through,
Kyle, for doing most of the editing on this one! I finally got a bit of a break! :-)

Fred’s Pics for Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2!

We go back to our previous format, with pics chosen by Fred from The Netherlands, including the cover image. We let Fred’s pics do the talking for us! We have a supersized amount of pics for this episode, divided between this episode and episode 41 when it’s released. You’ll see more pics next time! These pictures cover the first half of the episode.

What we thought about Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2…

We both loved this episode, and it was probably one of the best ones of the series. That said, though we all (but one person) rated it highly, it does have flaws. Like the previous episode, this episode is greater than the sum of its parts. It is interesting, though, for an episode score so high in ratings, yet have as many Nos and Hold Your Horses highlighted. By the way, a lot of people are really psyched about Discovery heading to the future. I’m not so sure. It feels like a bit of a copout, to be honest, done to appease some of the angry fanbase, some that will never be satisfied no matter what they do. I worry that setting it so far in the future may make all other series prequels to Discovery, the opposite problem they had before, hampering shows like the Picard show, the Section 31 show, and other shows coming down the road. I would have much preferred Discovery end up in the same era as the Picard show will be, so they could play in the same sandbox, so to speak. Maybe they will end up there? Who knows.

More coverage of Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 next week!

We’ll be back next week with even more coverage of the season finale, covering your feedback, our notes that haven’t been discussed yet, and news, adding in some additional news that’s happened since we recorded. While you can respond to this episode, we will not be covering any feedback received until episode 42 at the earliest. You can submit feedback via the GSM Feedback page, Facebook Group, Twitter, you can email startrekgsm at gmail dot com, or call the GSM voicemail at (304) 837-2278 and leave us a message there. Make sure to mention you’re calling The Star Trek Discovery Podcast when you call. We would like to keep our episodes down to a more reasonable podcast length. To help with this, we’d like you to focus on a few key points, rather than discussing everything about the episode. If submitting a voicemail, please try to keep your calls to 4 minutes or less, with an absolute maximum of 5 minutes. We would like to keep our episodes under 2 hours! Please help with that!

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And now, here’s a visual look at Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2!

 

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (03:11) - U.S.S. Enterprise & U.S.S. Discovery surrounded by Section 31 ships.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (03:11) – U.S.S. Enterprise & U.S.S. Discovery surrounded by Section 31 ships.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (03:49) - Bridge view on the attacking shuttles and pods.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (03:49) – Bridge view on the attacking shuttles and pods.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (03:53) - Time suit component being produced.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (03:53) – Time suit component being produced.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (04:19) - Time suit being assembled.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (04:19) – Time suit being assembled.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (04:59) - Violate the basic laws of physics? Uh, no.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (04:59) – Violate the basic laws of physics? Uh, no.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (05:43) - I'm surprised a Kelpien, of all beings has studied Sun Tzu.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (05:43) – I’m surprised a Kelpien, of all beings has studied Sun Tzu.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (05:54) - I'm surprised a Terran is surprised by anything.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (05:54) – I’m surprised a Terran is surprised by anything.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (06:31) - Give me what I've come for, or die for it.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (06:31) – Give me what I’ve come for, or die for it.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (06:49) - By my count, we have over 200 vessels, and you might have 30.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (06:49) – By my count, we have over 200 vessels, and you might have 30.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (06:58) - Count again.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (06:58) – Count again.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (09:17) - All power to forward shields, fire full spread.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (09:17) – All power to forward shields, fire full spread.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (09:29) - The battle.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (09:29) – The battle.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (10:46) - Captain, listen.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (10:46) – Captain, listen.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (11:22) - Really, Chris? Follow the queen?

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (11:22) – Really, Chris? Follow the queen?

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (12:11) - You know I leave very little to chance, especially when it comes to revenge.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (12:11) – You know I leave very little to chance, especially when it comes to revenge.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (12:29) - Get off my ass... Sir!

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (12:29) – Get off my ass… Sir!

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (13:17) - U.S.S. Enterprise trying to protect the U.S.S. Discovery.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (13:17) – U.S.S. Enterprise trying to protect the U.S.S. Discovery.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (13:52) - On their way with the time suit to the shuttle bay.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (13:52) – On their way with the time suit to the shuttle bay.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (14:13) - Time suit transport being hit.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (14:13) – Time suit transport being hit.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (16.29) - Burnham is ready.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (16.29) – Burnham is ready.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (16:37) - The suit opens for Burnham.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (16:37) – The suit opens for Burnham.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (16:57) - There is no time for debate.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (16:57) – There is no time for debate.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (17:19) - Live long and prosper.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (17:19) – Live long and prosper.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (17:44) - Michael on her way to exit the shuttle bay.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (17:44) – Michael on her way to exit the shuttle bay.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (18:46) - Michael & Spock ready to exit the shuttle bay.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (18:46) – Michael & Spock ready to exit the shuttle bay.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (19:09) - Michael flying over the Enterprise.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (19:09) – Michael flying over the Enterprise.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (22:13) - Spock & Michael landing on a piece of debris.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (22:13) – Spock & Michael landing on a piece of debris.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (22:29) - Navigational system's stuck in the present, it won't move forward.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (22:29) – Navigational system’s stuck in the present, it won’t move forward.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (23:00) - U.S.S. Enterprise bridge explosions.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (23:00) – U.S.S. Enterprise bridge explosions.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (23:56) - A tradition! Exploding bridge consoles!

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (23:56) – A tradition! Exploding bridge consoles!

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (24:01) - Anson Mount & his dog.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (24:01) – Anson Mount & his dog.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (24:16) - DOT7.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (24:16) – DOT7.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (25:18) - If I set the signals, why can't I move us forward?

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (25:18) – If I set the signals, why can’t I move us forward?

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (25:26) - Why would I bring us all this way to get stuck in this moment and die here?

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (25:26) – Why would I bring us all this way to get stuck in this moment and die here?

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (26:16) - It's a Klingon cleave ship, sir.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (26:16) – It’s a Klingon cleave ship, sir.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (27:27) - Please transmit tactical analysis of all enemy vessels to us.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (27:27) – Please transmit tactical analysis of all enemy vessels to us.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (27:42) - Today is a good day to die! (in Klingon).

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (27:42) – Today is a good day to die! (in Klingon).

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (28:37) - Yes, now. Precisely now.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (28:37) – Yes, now. Precisely now.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 (29:47) - In order for us to push forward, you must go back and set the events of the past in motion, which you have not yet done.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (29:47) – In order for us to push forward, you must go back and set the events of the past in motion, which you have not yet done.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (30:47) - Georgiou & Nhan 'talking' to Leland.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (30:47) – Georgiou & Nhan ‘talking’ to Leland.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (31:57) - Tilly & Nilsson worried about wounded Stamets.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (31:57) – Tilly & Nilsson worried about wounded Stamets.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (33:06) - Everything always came back around to you.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (33:06) – Everything always came back around to you.

STDP 040 - Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (33:07) - Paul can't believe what Hugh is saying.

STDP 040 – Star Trek Discovery S2E14 Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2 (33:07) – Paul can’t believe what Hugh is saying.

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