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   Aaron on June 20, 2020 at 11:32 am

   Ooh so many to choose from…well not really but still the debate should be good because Scar V Jafar alone is going to be a hard battle!

   Darth Vader is a good villain when he’s just a suit you see coming down a hallway massacring everyone, but I think because we’ve seen behind the mask with Anakin it does take some of the pop out of him and he feels more redeemable or less the big bad that he’s billed as when you hear fans talk; to me Tarkin is way more scary than Vader in the “Star Wars” films!

   Also if you’re doing live action villains, Callisto from “Xena: Warrior Princess” HAS to be on there because she has all the best qualities – she’s a personally created villain who comes back to haunt the hero, she is tenacious in her pursuit to destroy the hero, she has good character and action moments, and while yes they do sort of redeem her in the end what fans remember is the dark side and just how far she would go. If you’ve never seen Hudson Leick’s work in the role I recommend checking it out because while you could easily dismiss Callisto as grief stricken crazy the truth is she’s in control of her actions which makes her even more scary. The series is worth watching for sure, admittedly the early years are the best, but if you’re going to watch for just a villain she’s the one to watch because by the numbers Callisto is only in 7 episodes of the 130+ episode series but you’d swear she’s in more because she’s that memorable!

   As for the bracket, I’m going to try and do this pre listening and then for fun we’ll see if you can get me to chance my rankings. 🙂

   SIDE ONE
   Scar V Shan Yu – this is a really good tough battle off the start but just for the personal connection I’m going to give it to Scar. Scar is sometimes referred to as the Darth Vader of animated villains.

   Cruella V Ratigan – she was mean to puppies so Cruella by default.

   Maleficent V Shere Khan – Maleficent.

   The Evil Queen V Gaston – Gaston is SUCH a jerk and I know he’ll be taken out later in voting because there are some who can top him, it’s his real world jerkness that I think makes him memorable also – powers you can dismiss but his actions not so much, so I’ll go with Gaston. *insert shiver here at his slimeiness*

   Scar V Cruella – Scar!
   Maleficent V Gaston – *I’m now thinking about the Angelina Jolie movies and it does soften Maleficent* Gaston.

   Scar V Gaston – this is basically slime versus the image of Scar throwing Mufasa to the stampede…this is kind of harder than I thought but I’ll go Scar.

   SIDE TWO
   Ursula V Prince Hans – Prince Hans is kind of like new age Gaston if you think about it; the fact they let him be that evil again was refreshing and felt nostalgic I will say but I kind of feel maybe nostalgia is also getting me here because I’m going to say Ursula even though if I watched “Little Mermaid” and “Frozen” back to back I might end up changing my mind.

   Claude V Mother Gothel – look, technically they did still the flower from Gothel first so her lashing out makes sense on some level thus Claude. 🙂

   Jafar V Captain Hook – Jafar!
   Wicked Stepmother V Hades – again no contest: Wicked Stepmother!

   Ursula V Claude – Claude I guess; we know neither is going to win this so they’re just vying for for spots basically and they’d be in the top 5 by this bracket.
   Jafar V Wicked Stepmother – I will admit it may be nostalgic again picking this really but Jafar.

   Claude V Jafar – this surprises me but I’m going to have to say Claude; that dude is pretty evil and again has some real world evilness that lasts with you as you grow so he’s actually going to beat Jafar I think doing this bracket right now.

   CHAMPIONSHIP
   Scar V Claude
   Winner: Both are wicked and you aren’t conflicted about them and you’re happy when they’re gone…this is a tough one as the championship should be but at the end of this I’m going to say, because a tie would be a cop out, by a thin margin Scar.

   That was a lot tougher at times than I was expecting so job well done with the bracket Rachel and Jeremiah!

   Now let’s see how you ranked everyone. 🙂

   “The one who ends up winning may not be the most evil of all, but the one I enjoyed the most.” – this is the perfect explanation for all end choices I feel Jeremiah and I think personally what has happened with my choice. 🙂

   “Mulan” is awesome! I do agree with Rachel in that Shan Yu is kind of more a stand in for the whole than necessarily his own person so that does put him behind other individually driven villains. I’m glad he’s on the list but yeah he was never going to win.

   Scar TOTALLY would have chunked Simba off the cliff too if he could have so yeah he’s pretty evil; killing period is bad but it’s extra distasteful when it’s family and you’re just doing it for power.

   I love y’all came with facts for this battle in the form of a wrap sheet for each character. 🙂

   Reckless driving is a crime. Woah Rachel, attacking dogs is a bad thing – Cruella is definitely more evil! 🙂 I’m with Rachel, I love you’re doing each of your own list because it’s more fun that way! 🙂

   Again I’m with Rachel – the snake is the villain.

   Ooh “Best Disney Song”…that honestly may be the toughest list you do! It will probably be ranked low but “Colors Of The Wind” from “Pocahontas” should definitely be on there along with “Reflection” from “Mulan”.

   I’m with you Rachel, Gaston wins the first section he’s in. 🙂

   Hans is a very fair choice Rachel and I’m glad he’s on the list too because again he feels like he can stand with the older well done villains. Is he going to win? No way but he still deserves a place on the list and would be ahead of some of these people for sure; I’d say he’s close to the top 10 for this list…maybe even bottom 10, he’s not a bad addition on this list. Gaston V Hans in looks, that’s Hans for the win I have to say.

   I will admit, I only wanted to see Hunchback because Demi Moore was voicing a character in the trailer and she looked fun but it’s a good movie when you see it in its own right. It is more an adult movie you could argue with the themes but it is still a good film which sadly gets dismissed in rankings I think when people talk about the best animated films.

   Again just going by the scenes in the movie and the lore they show Mother Gothel did find the flower first and it was taken from her so you could argue she’s just reclaiming her property which happens to be in Rupunzel at the times if she could have taken the powers back she would have left the kid so she’s not as villainous as you might think. 🙂

   In the song “Hellfire”, Claude sings about Esmeralda tempting him with her beauty even though she was just dancing – he’s blaming her for his lust which is wrong. It’s your lists so do as you will for sure but this is the one moment of the podcast where I’m definitely questioning your choice I have to say. 🙂

   Cartoon “Lion King” and cartoon “Aladdin” are the only versions that I recognize.

   A fun podcast!

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     Jeremiah Panhorst on June 20, 2020 at 7:53 pm

     Thanks Aaron for the amazing feedback! I am so glad that you enjoyed the podcast. It was a tough thing to do, but also very fun.

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     Rachel Panhorst on June 21, 2020 at 3:17 am

     What great feedback! I truly loved reading this and getting more insight. And I’m so glad someone else appreciates adding Hans to this list. Thank you for listening!

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